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Subject: Soros Watch
Posted by: Boldwin
- [5103310] Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 11:58
Incomprehensible move:
In November Soros was buying fire-sale [Corzine's] MF Euro sovereign debt.They were turned over to KPMG, MF Global’s bankruptcy administrator in London; they were then offered to big investors by MF Global’s London clearing house, LCH Clearnet, the Journal said, quoting a KPMG spokeswoman.
When KPMG offered the bankrupts firm’s European debt to a variety of big investors, most of them passed. However, they were able to find one investor willing to buy the bonds at rock-bottom prices: George Soros. Soros' usual MO is to drive a government down and vulture the smoldering remains so why is he betting on the EU to survive? He's talked down the EU's prospects. It's certainly a globalist entity of which he [and the Rothschilds]approves. |
| 1 | DWetzel
ID: 53326279 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 12:50
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"Soros' usual MO is to drive a government down and vulture the smoldering remains so why is he betting on the EU to survive?
Going to go out on a massive limb here and say "it's because he thinks there's money to be made in it".
You got a problem with capitalism now, too?
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| 2 | Boldwin
ID: 5103310 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 13:28
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Just as significantly, from that link, he dumped his gold holdings.
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| 3 | Boldwin
ID: 548462415 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 00:07
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Steve Kroft (born August 22, 1945) is an American journalist and a longtime correspondent for “60 Minutes”. His investigative reporting has garnered him much acclaim, including three Peabody Awards and nine Emmy awards, one of which was an Emmy for Lifetime Achievement.
Steve Kroft report on George Soros:
One Evil HumanSoros has repeatedly called 1944 “the best year of his life.
KROFT: No feelings of guilt?
SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power. --- “Soros made his first billion in 1992 [two years after Thatcher left office and Britain a much better place - B] by shorting the British pound with leveraged billions in financial bets, and became known as the man who broke the Bank of England . He broke it on the backs of hard-working British citizens who immediately saw their homes severely devalued and their life savings cut drastically, almost overnight.” --- In 1994 Soros crowed in “The New Republic,” that “the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire.” The Russia-gate scandal in 1999, which almost collapsed the Russian economy, was labeled by Rep. Jim Leach, then head of the House Banking Committee, to be “one of the greatest social robberies in human history. “The “Soros Empire” indeed. In 1997 Soros almost destroyed the economies of Thailand and Malaysia. At the time, Malaysia ‘s Prime Minister, Mahathir Mohammad, called Soros “a = villain, and a moron.” Thai activist Weng Tojirakarn said, “We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula. He sucks the blood from the people.”
The website Greek National Pride reports, “Soros was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia and caused trouble in Georgia, Ukraine and Myanmar [Burma] Calling himself a philanthropist, Soros’ role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. He is without conscience; a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality.”
France has upheld an earlier conviction against Soros, for felony insider trading. Soros was fined 2.9 million dollars. Recently, his native Hungary fined Soros 2.2 million dollars for “illegal market manipulation.” Elizabeth Crum writes that the Hungarian economy has been in a state of transition as the country seeks to become more financially stable and westernized. Soros deliberately driving down the share price of its largest bank put Hungary ‘s economy into a wicked tailspin, one from which it is still trying to recover.
My point here is that Soros is a planetary parasite. His grasp, greed, and gluttony have a global reach. But what about America ? Soros told Australia ‘s national newspaper “The Australian.” ” America, as the centre of the globalised financial markets, was sucking up the savings of the world. This is now over. The game is out,” he said, adding that the time has come for “a very serious adjustment” in American’s consumption habits. He implied that he was the one with the power to bring this about.”
Soros: “World financial crisis was “stimulating” and “in a way, the culmination of my life’s work.” --- “Through his global web of Open Society Institutes and Open Society Foundations, Soros has spent 25 years recruiting, training, indoctrinating and installing a network of loyal operatives in 50 countries, placing them in positions of influence and power in media, government, finance and academia.” --- America stands at the brink of an abyss, and that fact is directly attributable to Soros. Soros has vigorously, cleverly, and insidiously planned the ruination of America and his puppet, Barack Obama is leading the way.
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| 4 | Boldwin
ID: 548462415 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 00:23
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George Soros' buying MF Global...named as if it was built custom for him.
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| 5 | DWetzel
ID: 25740420 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 00:24
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I'm confused. Most of the piece seems to say bad things about Soros, but on the other hand the author calls him a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality, which most right-wingers normally think is something to be lauded (you know, when they're promoting policies that benefit the wealthy at the expense of the poor).
So which is it?
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| 6 | Boldwin
ID: 548462415 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 00:34
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How Soros ended up with the MF Global investor/client's money.
Actually it was Corzine and MF Global who were the crooks in this particular case. Soros just had the resources to make it thru all the margin calls to collect the sure winnings at the end. But it's a mystery why libs give Soros such a pass when they hate the 1% so much.
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| 7 | DWetzel
ID: 25740420 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 00:58
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It's equally mysterious to the libs why you go after Soros so much when you defend the other people who do exactly the same stuff he does. Other than, of course, his political leanings. It's almost as if you're constantly attacking him not because of what he actually does, but because of who he supports politically -- you've assumed he's bad because of that, and then are looking for reasons to justify your hatred. Which is not normally the way that someone who actually cares about facts and morality would behave.
If it's bad when he does it, then it's equally bad when your heroes do it. (And conversely, your point is actually taken -- if it's fine when he does it, it's fine when the other people do it.)
For the record, I'm not by any means defending some of the stuff he's done. It's just a little hard to care, thanks to the ridiculously selective outrage you and most of the extreme right have about him.
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| 8 | Boldwin
ID: 41839254 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 05:39
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He is the devil's left hand man, and he is unique.
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| 9 | Boldwin
ID: 41839254 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 05:41
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And I would say the same things about him if McCain, who is in his back pocket, was in power.
And I would be saying them loud and often.
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| 10 | DWetzel
ID: 25740420 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 09:44
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It's been well established that you don't like McCain either (any more), so that changes things by precisely zero.
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| 11 | biliruben
ID: 21841115 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 10:08
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I heard Coulter is pregnant with Soros' love child.
Palin's book publication costs were 150% funded by Soros using funds pilfered by cornering the market on Koch oil stock, then driving it down to 43 cents.
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| 12 | Boldwin
ID: 41839254 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 10:58
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Nah, Chris Christie or some gay buddy drunk in Vail one night more likely. She's slipping.
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| 13 | Boldwin
ID: 41839254 Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 11:04
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BTW I am solidly behind Coulter's latest comments, that libs think are exploitable gaffes.
Dems have abandoned even the appearance of helping blacks and have moved on to hispanics as their special interest dujour, and no, we don't owe illegal immigrants reparations.
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| 14 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 03:28
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The most 'in the know' and wealthiest are dumping their stocks, especially bank stocks.
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| 15 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 10:22
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#14 This is one of the most egregious examples of misinformation ever posted in these forums.
Berkshire made a number of moves in financials as well. The company tripled its stake in The Bank of New York Mellon Corporation (NYSE: BK), from 5.6 million shares to 18.7 million, and reported additional shares of payments processor Visa Inc (NYSE: V). The Wells Fargo & Company (NYSE: WFC) position, already the second-largest holding in Berkshire's equity portfolio, rose 4.2 percent to about 411 million shares, amounting to a 7.8 percent stake valued at $14 billion in the San Francisco-based bank. According to Tuesday's filing Berkshire's stock portfolio amounted to $75.3 billion at the end of June, up from $74.3 billion at the end of March
Berkshire Hathaway added to its overall portfolio and incresed positions in bank stocks in the latest reporting. How does that equate to dumping their stocks, especially bank stocks?
Soros cashed out of most of his financial stocks in the second quarter
How does what happened 6 months ago equate to dumping(present tense)?
It happens in the world of the Wiedemer brothers.
FORTUNE -- Want to make money in this market? Just predict the market is just going to get much, much worse. At least that's the very profitable tack the writers of a doom-and-gloom tome, Aftershock: Protect Yourself and Profit in the Next Global Financial Meltdown are taking. The three co-authors, brothers David and Robert Wiedemer, and Cindy Spitzer, are raking in a multimillion-dollar payday by advising people to sell their homes now, cash out their life insurance policies, and dump their stocks ahead of what they predict will be 50% unemployment, a 90% stock market crash, and 100% annual inflation.
Now the brothers are branching out. Next up is a follow-up book , the Aftershock Investment Guide, due out next spring. Robert has a consulting deal with Newsmax, which is giving away copies of Aftershock to entice its own readers to subscribe to its own investment newsletters. The West Palm Beach, Fla.-based publisher claims one million people watched a recent "Aftershock Survival Summit" it hosted and publicized a few weeks ago with a full-page Wall Street Journal ad. In the video of the summit, Robert enunciates dire predictions between shots of Obama and elderly people wearing janitor and fast food uniforms. David is thinking bigger. "I'd really like to do a mutual fund," he says. Boldwin presents a Newsmax ad in the guise of an article, chalk full of lies and distortion. What a pathetic lack of research.
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| 16 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 10:29
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If you have a more update account of Soros trades, post them. I don't think there is a more important person or dangerous person to keep track of on the planet.
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| 17 | biliruben
ID: 21841115 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 10:33
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Did you go all-in on facebook after reading Soros has bought some?
It's one thing to have your derangement pollute these boards. You don't actually make real dollar bets on your conspiracy theories do you?
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| 18 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 10:34
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Distraction. You post lies then try to change the subject. You're the one who failed to research your idiotic post. You've been scammed by the Aftershock crowd, buying hook, line and sinker whatever they tell you to believe.
I don't think
Duh.
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| 19 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 11:18
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I look for and post any indication of what that monster is doing. Just because they have a financial incentive to report on Soros' activity doesn't mean they are lying about it. Yes I knew it was part of an infomercial. Popeil pocketfishermen catch fish too.
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| 20 | Tree
ID: 57842011 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 15:22
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post 18 and 19.
PV - isn't it getting to the point of absurdity in trying to point out Baldwin's lies.
Post 19 is yet another example (there must be dozens on this board at this point) of Baldwin's belief that lying and criminal actions are acceptable if they fall in line with his warped vision and beliefs?
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| 21 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:10
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From Boldwin's own link in #14, let's take a look at how ridiculous this statement is:
"I look for and post any indication of what that monster[Soros] is doing."
Fellow billionaire John Paulson, who made a fortune betting on the subprime mortgage meltdown, is clearing out of U.S. stocks too. During the second quarter of the year, Paulson’s hedge fund, Paulson & Co., dumped 14 million shares of JPMorgan Chase. The fund also dumped its entire position in discount retailer Family Dollar and consumer-goods maker Sara Lee.
Finally, billionaire George Soros recently sold nearly all of his bank stocks, including shares of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, and Goldman Sachs. Between the three banks, Soros sold more than a million shares.
Paulson sells 14 million shares of JPMorgan Chase and Soros sells 1 million shares in 3 banks. A million shares in 3 banks isn't even a blip on the screen. Looking at the 6 month chart of JPMorgan Chase, the average daily volume of shares traded is about 30 million shares. The stock tanked hard in the 2nd quarter, before recovering in the 3rd(when Buffet bought it) and the stock is up 25% YTD. Soros is an irrelevant afterthought in this scamverdisment from Newsmax, inserted only so hate America doom and gloom reactionaries can scream SOROS!!SOROS!!SOROS!! and then pray everybody is as lazy as they are and not actually research such a dishonest and nonsensical post.
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| 23 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:20
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He has made a career out of crashing the economy of countries. He took credit for the crash of 08 calling it 'the culmination of my life’s work'. The EU is on the ledge and all it would take is an air kiss to send it over the edge.
If you don't want an indication when he plans on dropping that other shoe, feel free to stay unforewarned and unprepared.
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| 24 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:31
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Whether destroying economies is good or bad depends upon whether a liberal or conservative is doing the work, PV.
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| 25 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:35
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And just in case anyone is wondering why Boldwin doesn't have a John Poulson watch thread, since he's the guy who dumped 14 million JPMorgan Chase shares which could actually be called market manipulation, it may be because it's where he puts his political contributions.
$1,000,000 donation to restore our future, inc. $30,800 donation to national republican congressional $5,000 donation to freedom project; the $5,000 donation to managed funds association political action $2,500 donation to scott garrett for congress $2,500 donation to friends of john boehner $2,500 donation to romney for president, inc. $2,400 donation to scott brown for us senate committee
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| 26 | DWetzel
ID: 25740420 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 18:41
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I mean, one one hand "commie" is about the worst insult Boldwin likes to throw out meaninglessly, but on the other hand you have a guy doing pretty much the exact opposite of communism and that's bad too.
It's obvious that logic isn't at work there, so the appropriate thing to do is not to post long logical rebuttals, but simply to point, laugh and mock.
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| 27 | Boldwin
ID: 119531322 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 20:10
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I'm not against large trades or political donations. I just want to be prepared when someone deliberately crashes the economy.
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| 28 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 20:16
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Its what we were warning about during the Bush Administration. It sounds like you only want to be prepared against liberals doing it.
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| 29 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 20:32
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I just want to be prepared when someone deliberately crashes the economy.
Which would be your friends the Weidemer brothers, whose aim is to spread fear and destroy confidence, in hopes investors will abandon the stock market, treasury bonds and real estate in hopes of seeing corporations like JPMorgan Chase go bankrupt. Boldwin is complicit in this deceit, as evidenced in #14, which basically says, "If you invest in stocks, you're stupid and will lose everything."
The intent is clear and deliberate.
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| 30 | Boldwin
ID: 40991420 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 21:10
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Why can't I have interesting challenging debate partners?
Boring. Stupid.
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| 31 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 21:12
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roflmfao challenging?????? If anyone here should be saying that B, it's PV of late, and MITH previously. Try debating using a brand new as yet unheard of tactic on your part.....truth.
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| 33 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Sun, Oct 14x, 2012, 22:22
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Why can't I have interesting challenging debate partners? Since when are you interested in interesting debate. You posted a link in #14. I responded with facts that dispute your post, including links to several different business sites that gave details way beyond what was necessary to illuminate the subject. Your interesting responses were:
If you have a more update account of Soros trades, post them. I don't think there is a more important person or dangerous person to keep track of on the planet.
As if you provided anything that keeps track of Soros.
He has made a career out of crashing the economy of countries. He took credit for the crash of 08 calling it 'the culmination of my life’s work'. The EU is on the ledge and all it would take is an air kiss to send it over the edge.
If you don't want an indication when he plans on dropping that other shoe, feel free to stay unforewarned and unprepared.
These are generic accusations, and the words in quotes are unsourced, have no context, therefore disposable.
I just want to be prepared when someone deliberately crashes the economy.
Unsubstantiated by anything other than "Because I said it."
The real question is why don't you start offering some interesting, challenging debate.
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| 34 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 00:59
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He took credit for the crash of 08 calling it 'the culmination of my life’s work'
I was intrigued by this claim, especially since it wasn't sourced. There are literally hundreds of far right sites that use this quote. Almost lost within these sites is the
Yahoo answers
Q. Did George Soros really say "Destroying America Will Be the Culmination of my life's work."?
Can anyone please provide ANY proof of this claim? A link to the article, a scan of the print article, anything at all?
A. Most right wing blogs just dropped the quote "Destroying America will be the culimation of my life's work" quote without any source whatsoever. Fortunately, one of them did sort of cite it: "Soros also told “The Australian” that the world financial crisis was “stimulating” and “in a way, the culmination of my life’s work."" So I searched back-issues of The Australian and that led to an interview with him I found in The Australian where he supposedly made the remark: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/fea… You can go check it out for yourself, this isn't a direct quote and it's HORRIBLY out of context. So no, he didn't really say that.
Here's the actual part of the interview from the actual source:
>What sort of policy? Soros - The financial crisis, and how to solve it. It was not something that I was particularly concerned with prior to the rise of the crisis and I am also involved in the activities of the (Soros) Foundation.
>But for the past 18 months you have been keeping an eye on the markets? Soros - Yeah but I have also been writing a lot more than I was writing before because the crisis really stimulated me. I wrote a series of articles in the course of the year, I wrote a book, I published a book and I’m just about to publish a sequel to last year’s book, bringing it up to date, I am just working on it now.
.So do you have a sense that things are coming together for you now? Soros - It is in a way a culminating point of my life’s work, so to speak.
>Everything is coming together. Soros - Yeah, the American election, the financial crisis, the theory of reflexivity. So it is actually a very stimulating period.
Nowhere does Soros take credit for the crash of 08 calling it 'the culmination of my life’s work'. It's 100% fabrication. I can understand that someone exposing your fabrications on this board would be embarrassing, although that doesn't seem to be the case. Instead, it's boring, stupid, an opportunity to lament not having interesting, challenging debate partners. Sorry, but I'm not intimidated. Keep posting fabrications and I'll keep exposing them, absorbing whatever childish insults you throw my way.
The Australian interview
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| 35 | sarge33rd
ID: 12554167 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 01:12
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What Dilemma? Moral Evaluation Shapes Factual Belief
an explanation of the study above, put into laymans terms
In short, while both left and right tend to view facts "differently", the right shows a greater inclination toward fabricating supporting "facts". (I for one, assume, the far right would show then the greatest propensity for such. Whether B bears out the assumption, or simply fits it conveniently...I cant honestly say. That he is the primary source for the assumption, I can definitively deny.)
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| 36 | Boldwin
ID: 40991420 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 01:46
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PV, see post #3. Easy.
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| 37 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 03:04
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See post #34, the actual words, not your selected quotes or distorted interpretation. Yes, it's easy when the proper source is cited., which isn't done in #3, although snippets, taken out of context are.
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| 38 | biliruben
ID: 21841115 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 09:32
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Thanks PV. While, given's Boldy's history, I was 99.7% sure that Soros hadn't said anything of the sort (so sure in fact, that I didn't see the point in making the effort that you did), I appreciate you doing the due diligence to confirm Boldy's descent into sad clown territory.
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| 39 | DWetzel
ID: 25740420 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 09:58
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"Why can't I have interesting challenging debate partners? "
Interesting, challenging debate partners aren't interested in having interesting, challenging debates with someone who is more interested in berating and demagouging than in debating.
"Reaping what you sow" applies here.
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| 40 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 11:09
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Revisiting the link in #3, Boldwin uses a legitimate journalist, Steve Kroft of CBS' 60 minutes, as the template for all the succeeding context, giving the impression that One Evil Human is a product of Steve Kroft. Boldwin even uses Kroft's picture to help support the legitimacy.
It's another lie
But it doesn't stop there. In #3, Boldwin presented this as part of the transcript of the Kroft/Soros interview:
KROFT: No feelings of guilt?
SOROS: No, only feelings of absolute power. --- Here are the actual words from the actual transcript:
KROFT: No feeling of guilt?
Mr. SOROS: No.
KROFT: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?
Mr. SOROS: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets -- that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.
It's completely made up. The words absolute power are never made by Soros, not even close.
PV, see post #3. Easy.
Yes, it's easy to see, with just a little research, that you're promoting fabrications on this board with a twisted sense of pride and accomplishment. And then you have the hubris to call me stupid and boring? Again, I'm no shrink, but I've got to wonder what kind of mental process defends the use of false information by directing one to previous, even more egeregious false information.
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| 41 | Boldwin
ID: 539171514 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 15:18
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You should submit a bill. I think Soros might pay you here. He can afford minions.
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| 42 | Mith
ID: 98342014 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 15:48
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Is post 41 an example of how to be a non-boring, non-stupid and challenging debate partner?
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| 43 | DWetzel
ID: 25740420 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 16:22
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Bless his soul Mith, he does the best he can.
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| 44 | Tree
ID: 53555306 Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 16:42
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at least he's pretty.
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| 45 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169 Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 18:39
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Soros' fund company buys into JC Penny's, stock jumps.
Bad, bad socialist.
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| 46 | Boldwin
ID: 233202518 Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 19:57
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1) He's beyond socialist. He's full blown Aleister Crowley evil incarnate.
2) He's betting that a company which has recently fired a baffoon CEO who decided to do away with sales and promote their everyday great prices...
...just might rebound some.
3) Raking in cash doesn't make you a capitalist. Hugo Chavez raked in 10 figures.
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| 47 | Tree
ID: 543262512 Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 21:58
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#1 above ranks as among the most idiotic things you've said. congrats.
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| 48 | nerveclinic Leader
ID: 05047110 Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 22:25
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What is your point about #2 Baldwin I don't even understand.
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| 49 | Boldwin
ID: 233202518 Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 22:53
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The J.C.Pennys recently departed CEO had been an Apple exec if memory serves and had so little marketing expertise he thot not having sales...no price reductions...and promoting the meme their normal prices were so low they didn't need sales...would actually work. It was one of the worst corporate moves in the history of business and it is doubtful Pennys even survives it IMO, but it's a reasonable bet the current team couldn't do worse...aka...there might be an upturn to cash in on. I'm explaining why he might make that choice.
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| 50 | Boldwin
ID: 36417820 Wed, May 08, 2013, 23:56
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Marco Rubio's curious penchant for kicking his supposed Tea Party brethren in the nads explained.Cesar Conda has been pushing amnesty for illegals on Twitter and elsewhere as Marco Rubio’s PR agent. Conda, who is an immigration lawyer, went to work for George Soros before becoming Rubio’s Chief of Staf. Cesar Conda worked on the editorial advisory board of George Soros magazine, The International Economy Magazine.
Cesar Conda had been spinning lies about the amnesty bill about how illegal wouldn’t get welfare, wait more than 10 years for citizenship, etc. Those lies have been completely debunked.
Another Rubio spokesperson, Alex Conant, recently compared illegal aliens living and working in this country to the institution of slavery.
So now you understand why Marco Rubio is so gung ho for amnesty. He surrounds himself with [George Soros surrogates - B].
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