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Subject: Political baseball 2012
Posted by: Perm Dude
- [3210201915] Thu, Feb 09, 2012, 21:06
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| 918 | Boldwin
ID: 58939311
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 22:04
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PV juuust catches me in wins today, Nerve catches me in Runs atm. So close.
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| 919 | Boldwin
ID: 58939311
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 22:04
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Actually that does make me feel better.
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| 920 | Boldwin
ID: 1194146
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 08:26
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Congratulations, Great One. That was writing the textbook.
Now I get to run Trout up against you next year with about 4 less keepers, as this year was a confluence of good things coming together for me.
No Kenley Jansen and 4 other closers for me next year, most likely.
But at least I now have a great textbook to guide me.
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| 921 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 08:49
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Thanks. Maybe I'll get some help from Tulowitzki, Crawford and Lester next time around myself. Not sure how I did that without 3 of my keepers participating. Well Tulo wasn't a keeper, traded Hanley for him, but it was a keeper slot nonetheless and only got 75 AB's out of him.
My post keeper MVP's were draft picks Encarnacion, Gio and adding AJ Burnett (there's a shocker!).
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| 922 | Tree
ID: 53555306
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 08:54
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809,812,813 are good reads.
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| 923 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 08:56
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and now the fun stuff...
re:302 Boldwin - Hudson - Yeah, Ill take a guy with a 3.22 ERA 2.14 WHIP last year and you can take the next hype that comes along and hope he gets to that level.
re:305 GO - Well thats hard to compare, but Ill take Gio Gonzalez who you passed on to get Hudson.
As you already mentioned above, if you took Gio instead of Hudson you would have won easily. No doubt. The easy - you left 3 definite points in K's on the table with that choice and would have had a some various more points in W's, ERA, WHIP.
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| 924 | Boldwin
ID: 1194146
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 09:10
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You put the finger right on the hole in my game during the draft. Gio Gonzalez, Gio freaking Gonzalez. I did not have as secure a handle on my pitchers as I did early in the Poliboard league. The first pitcher I've taken in the draft has been a bust for years now. Altho I do have the two best pitching keepers I've ever had, so there's that.
I think we picked up two good managers this year, with rebuilding projects on their hands obviously but they did some good things.
Everyone else spent some time in the vicinity of 90 pts at one point or other and there isn't any group of elite managers I'd rather be competing against.
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| 925 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 09:10
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how about these insights from Nerve...
re: 858 nerve - Baldwin stop with the humble brag, no one is going to catch you unless half your team gets injured.
re:716
GO - and I guess that killer draft with 40 minutes prep did ok --> nerve - Its a long season brah. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.
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| 926 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 09:13
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I think we likely to pass an extra bench spot for next year too, right? So that's progress. Anyone in particular against it? Tree, Boldwin, GO, nerve I know were for it...
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| 927 | Boldwin
ID: 1194146
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 09:48
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I will say to my credit I never for one second succumbed to GO's attempts to lull me into complacency. I knew he was coming for me with plenty up his sleeve.
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| 928 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 09:55
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You absolutely were keeping an eye on me all along I know - despite what people like Nerve were saying about you having it locked up. I was just staying quiet even though I also knew I had plenty of points on the board.
While the draft debate of Hudson/Gio proved to be a difference maker -- it wouldn't have been enough to overcome if not for my late season SB push mainly by Everth Cabrera - I think he made the biggest difference. That guy gave me 11 SB's in just 14 starts in Sept.
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| 929 | Boldwin
ID: 1194146
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 10:11
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You had more closely contested categories than I did. I could either address the one point in SB and one point in Runs on the batting side...If I had an extra batting slot and could have micromanaged it for SB's...I could have thrown away great batters in hot streaks for empty R/SB types, wasn't real keen on that idea.
...or concentrate on 4 points in wins, 4 points in WHIP and 4 points in ERA that were up for grabs.
Wins, ERA and WHIP are just brutal categories to manage in a short time period when your pitchers are dead-arming at the end of the year. I don't care how good of a manager you are, no one can guarantee he won't have a bad 2-3 weeks in those.
I can remember someone pulling his hair out for several months pleading for his pitchers to finally give him some wins, I'm looking at you GO.
Nerve spent many fruitless months streaming pitchers before it started to click for him.
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| 930 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 10:16
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I started to climb in pitching too when I quit hoping Lester would remember how to pitch and didn't start him much of the second half (while he took up a bench spot)... and also Gio and Verlander were lights out in Sept.
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| 931 | biliruben
ID: 21841115
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 10:35
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Congrats GO. Thanks for saving us from a decade of reminders of a tilted crown!
Nice season, Boldy. I am guessing you were one trade for a starter away. Everyone has their achilles heel. Coulda had Yu for a 2nd or 3rd if you'd asked. Was shopping him.
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| 932 | Boldwin
ID: 5393249
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 10:57
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Point taken.
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| 933 | nerveclinic
ID: 4711362616
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 14:46
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Congrats GO. Nice job
I went back and looked at your draft again. I still believe it was not your draft that won it, it was the work after the draft.
Gio and Encarnacion were the only two highly leveraged picks.
I think you worked hard during the season, and really put it together at the end. looking at your team now it's somewhat hard to completely understand how you won. (although I am sure you know how)
Baldwin you have the best keeper in baseball.
That was a pretty devastating downfall. Although I think really Tree's prediction was wrong. He seemed to imply with certainty you didn't stand a chance when in reality you were right there until the last day. It was fun watching the pennant race here.
Cheers
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| 934 | Tree
ID: 47949413
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 15:03
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Although I think really Tree's prediction was wrong. He seemed to imply with certainty you didn't stand a chance when in reality you were right there until the last day
my prediction that it was a marathon and not a sprint was wrong?
did you think i meant to imply he would drop from first place within a few weeks?
i was pretty clear in my statement, and i was right. it wasn't until the last few days that GO surpassed Baldwin, and even then, it was back-and-forth and very tight.
but i've played fantasy sports with GO for a very long time, in lots of genres. i know his style. i know he plays from behind - hell, i led wire-to-wire in our fantasy hoops league, going for a three-peat, and he beat me on the last day of the season to de-throne me.
Baldwin had a great fantasy season, and he's right - he had some phenomenal players, and will for a long time.
but it's a marathon, not a sprint. and GO stretched his neck out at the finish line.
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| 935 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 15:07
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Looking at chart view in Standings (especially the Interactive version) is pretty interesting. I kind of bottomed out around 90 points in June and then steadily climbed back up.
I started fixing SB's in July getting up to 10 points there and then got those final 2-3 points in Sept when I added like 6 guys that steal bases.
A month into the season I had a ONE in W's and somehow turned that mess around to a perfect 14.
I lead saves the majority of the year and then the last month when Boldwin got close I let him have it and focused my energies elsewhere figuring that one point wasn't worth the fight. I think that was a major factor.
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| 936 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 15:10
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Damn, I forgot about stealing the Jeepers Keepers hoops league from Tree this year, no wonder he didn't register the league yet!
That was like a 5 point swing in one day to jump from 3rd and steal 1st. Been a good year for these last second comebacks.
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| 937 | nerveclinic
ID: 4711362616
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 19:40
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Tree my prediction that it was a marathon and not a sprint was wrong?
I didn't say that.
"while Baldwins got a solid team, I don't think he finishes on top."
yeah he didn't "finish on top", he was right there until the last day, he had an excellent chance of winning, so yes, I think you were wrong. (now Tree will emphatically argue why he was, and is always right)
My biggest negative was stolen bases. When Jacoby Ellsbury suffered a major injury at beginning of the year, I was screwed and needed to adjust. The difficulty is, being a keeper league, It was difficult to just drop a couple of quality potential keepers to pick up a couple average players who are good at SB's. I knew what I needed to do but didn't want to give up power for SB.
In the end it wouldn't have mattered the pitching never came through, particularly after Beachy went down.
Going into off season not a bad pool of keepers to pick from
C Weiters
1B Adrian Gonzales (Hope he bounces back?)
2B Cano
SS Ian Desmond
OF Austin Jackson
OF Alex Rios
OF Holliday
OF Ellsbury
SP Grienke
SP Wainwright
SP Scherzer
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| 938 | Tree
ID: 36950418
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 20:05
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"while Baldwins got a solid team, I don't think he finishes on top."
yeah he didn't "finish on top", he was right there until the last day, he had an excellent chance of winning, so yes, I think you were wrong. (now Tree will emphatically argue why he was, and is always right)
i'm still trying to figure out why you're saying i'm wrong.
i said Baldwin wouldn't finish on top, and he didn't finish on top.
there's nothing wrong about that statement.
i never said anything about his chances - it was obvious he had an excellent chance of winning. i just said i didn't think he would. again, how is that statement wrong?
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| 939 | Boldwin
ID: 5393249
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 20:28
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Baldwin you have the best keeper in baseball. - Nerve
I have the best batting keeper in baseball and the best pitching keeper in baseball.
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| 940 | Boldwin
ID: 5393249
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 20:42
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Weiters, Rios, Kenley Jansen, Latos, Maholm, Tillman, Griffin, Nolasco, Lynn, Arroyo, Awakuma, Scutaro, Clayton Richard, Tim Hudson, Jarrod Parker, Bud Norris, Clay Buchholz, Ernesto Frieri, Edward Mujica, Big Fat Bartolo Colon...
Guys who were either keepers on my team at the end of last year or shared time on both my team and GO/Nerves.
Think of this as an episode of 'Big Family'.
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| 941 | Boldwin
ID: 5393249
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 21:27
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Strasburg
Sure hope they shut him down healthy.
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| 942 | nerveclinic
ID: 4711362616
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 03:41
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i'm still trying to figure out why you're saying i'm wrong.
I don't have the time to explain things that are taught in Logic 101
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| 943 | Tree
ID: 57842011
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 09:49
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obviously, you've been studying Logic 101 from the Baldwin school of logic. first rule: When you can't properly defend your position, call someone a moron.
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| 944 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 09:52
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Sounds like its a pretty simple discussion -- Tree said he wouldn't finish on top and he didn't.
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| 945 | Boldwin
ID: 40937423
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 10:55
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Considering we were even at one time on the stattracker on the last day, his prediction wasn't all that impressive.
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| 946 | Tree
ID: 53943513
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 14:49
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Considering we were even at one time on the stattracker on the last day, his prediction wasn't all that impressive.
well, excepting i didn't make the prediction that day, but rather almost 3 months earlier, when you were easily a dozen points ahead of your nearest competition, if not more.
and never mind the fact that it was considerably more accurate than any prediction you've EVER made on these boards...
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| 947 | nerveclinic
ID: 4711362616
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 17:42
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I have absolutely nothing to learn from Baldwin. Or You.
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| 948 | nerveclinic
ID: 4711362616
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 17:47
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Tree said he wouldn't finish on top and he didn't.
I have such a brilliant response to this line but I don't want to get banned from the forum.
;)
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| 949 | Boldwin
ID: 40937423
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 17:54
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We need an overflow from this forum where we can hear it unfiltered occasionally.
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| 950 | Boldwin
ID: 40937423
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 17:55
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Make the comment on Yahoo, Nerve.
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| 951 | biliruben
ID: 21841115
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 10:23
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I think we should all create a response to that. I can be nastiest!
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| 952 | Great One
ID: 512531316
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 11:42
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Tree said OBAMA would finish on top and he will.
Just like GO did.
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| 953 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 15:22
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Congrats to Great One. Many thanks to the new owners who joined this year. I did pretty good until August and was a couple points out of first, and then my team went downhill for a variety of reasons.
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| 954 | nerveclinic
ID: 4711362616
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 16:16
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Make the comment on Yahoo, Nerve.
I don't want to get banned from Yahoo.
I think Billi and I must be thinking alike. ;)
Baldwin you would find it disturbing, just like the Damage Report Tracks...
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| 955 | Boldwin
ID: 4923615
Sat, Oct 06, 2012, 16:23
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Yahoo bans people? Just how Orwellian has this world descended already?
I may get disturbed but I don't flinch much, Nerve.
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| 956 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 11, 2012, 13:30
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Tulowitzki = LVP
I'm guessing not a lot of other people won with Troy Tulowitzki on their roster.
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| 957 | PV in GJ
ID: 1010151016
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 13:22
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Just got word that our newest manager, and my good friend Jorge Sagastume, became a new Daddy for the 3rd time about an hour ago. Sending along Poliboard congrats on the birth of Jon Alexander Sagastume.
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| 958 | Tree
ID: 5111421112
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 13:42
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Woot! congrats to Jorge!
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| 959 | biliruben
ID: 21841115
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 13:49
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Nice! Congratulations, Jorge!
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| 960 | C1-NRB
ID: 451120913
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 17:59
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Congratulations! (Insert The League reference here)
I'll trade you David Freese for naming rights.
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| 961 | Boldwin
ID: 3211181118
Tue, Dec 11, 2012, 19:27
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Much happiness, Jorge.
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| 962 | Building 7
ID: 87592712
Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 15:18
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Welcome Jon Alexander. Congratulations.
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| 963 | GO
ID: 2431114
Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 16:07
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Must have been a tough few months for Boldwin with Obama & GObama both finishing on top as I predicted last spring.
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| 964 | Boldwin
ID: 1611461416
Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 17:51
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You can't imagine.
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| 965 | Great One
ID: 120252515
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 15:48
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I found this list in the commish note, thought I'd put here before it got lost. This was the latest date after my trade with Tree.
May 17 9:59am
UPDATED PROSPECT LIST 05/17/2012
Sags
Manny Banuelos
Taylor Green, IF, MIL
Jorge Soler, OF
Jameson Taillon
Shelby Miller
Bobo
Mason Williams, OF, NYY
Stetson Allie, P, PIT
Bubba Starling, OF, KC
JULIO TEHERAN, RHP, ATL
Trevor Bauer, SP, ARIZONA
Pancho Villa
Scott Gennett, OF, MIL
Drew Pomeranz, P, Col
Dayan Viciedo **
Chris Sale
Tyler Matzek **
biliruben
Xander Bogearts, SS, BOS
Nick Franklin, SS, SEA
Nolan Arenado, 3B, Col
Jean Segura, SS, Ana
Miguel Sano, Masher, Min **
taxman
Gary Brown OF, SF
Yasmani Grandal, C, SD
Martin Perez, P, TEX
Brett Jackson
Jurickson Profar
Baldwin
Cory Spangenberg, 2B, CHI
Henderson Alvarez, P, TOR
Tyler Skaggs, P, ARI
Kenley Jansen RP, LAD
Mike Trout OF, LAA
Coldwater Coyotes
Chestor Cuthbert
Wil Myers, OF, KC
Matt Adams, 1B, STL
Andrew Cashner, RP, SD
Zach Wheeler, P, NYM
Myboyjack
Zach Lee, P, LAD
Nick Castellanos, 3B, DET
Billy Hamilton, SS, CIN
Devin Mesoraco, C
Michael Ynoa, P **
C1-NRB
Jarred Cosart, P, HOU
Mike Olt, 3B, TEX
Leonys Martin, OF, TEX
Mike Montgomery **
Aaron Hicks
Tree
Starling Marte, OF, PIT
Will Middlebrooks, 3B, BOS
Dylan Bundy, SP, BAL
Anthony Rendon
Wei-Yin Chen, SP, BAL
PuNk42AE
Christian Yelich, OF, MIA
Travis D'Arnaud, C, TOR
SS Manny Machado
OF Bryce Harper **
SP Jacob Turner **
Building 7
Anthony Gose, OF, TOR
Anthony Rizzo, 1B, CHI
Matt Moore - TB
Jarrod Parker - Oak
Jonathan Singleton - Hou
Great One
Mark Appel, SP
Mike Zunino, C, FLA
Francisco Lindor
Victor Roache, OF
Yonder Alonso, 1B, SDG
Nerve
Hak Ju Lee, SS, TB
Archie Bradley, SP, AZ
Gerrit Cole SP PIT
Casey Kelly SP SD **
George Springer OF HOU
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| 966 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 21:06
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Thanks GO.
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| 967 | Tree
ID: 3519420
Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 21:09
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obviously, some of these players (such as Trout and Harper) aren't prospect eligible.
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