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Subject: Ozzie Guillen vs Castro's Victims Posted by: Boldwin - [12214143] Mon, Apr 09, 2012, 19:31 Ozzie landed in the one place where he can't get away with the standard liberal cant. His love of Castro and Hugo Chavez works in the skyboxes of every other state, but not where they know first-hand the evil Castro does. When it wasn't a scandal he loved Hugo Chavez. “Not too many people like the president. I do. My mom will kill me, but it’s an honor to talk to the president.” And you can be sure he admires Castro as well. | |||||||
| 1 | Tree ID: 1336918 Mon, Apr 09, 2012, 19:44 |
Ozzie landed in the one place where he can't get away with the standard liberal cant what's "the standard liberal cant"? oh, it's nonsense. just another excuse for you to blame liberals for something else. When it wasn't a scandal he loved Hugo Chavez. actually, this is another example of you not only altering the words someone said to suit your own silly argument, but also not use the entire context. what he actually said was "I like Chavez the man. I don't say I like him politically, because I don't agree with a lot of the stuff he does and says. But I have a right to like somebody, and I like the man. When I read about how hard he worked since he was 6-years-old to be president of Venezuela, I felt proud." no love there anywhere. also, plainly stating that he doesn't agree with a lot of what (Chavez) does and says, and clarifying that he doesn't like him politically. And you can be sure he admires Castro as well. perhaps. but he's as American as apple pie too. He celebrated his 42nd birthday in January 2006 by becoming a citizen. A few months later, in an interview with Playboy, he said the easiest way for a player to anger him is by not being on the field for the national anthem. "First, it's the national anthem and you have to respect this country," Guillen said. "We have people fighting for us everywhere. And you're not from here, you have to respect this country double." his respect for the United States is greater than yours, i'd reckon. | ||||||
| 2 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Mon, Apr 09, 2012, 19:49 | I appreciate the difference between here and Cuba and Venezuela. | ||||||
| 3 | Seattle Zen ID: 10732616 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 18:41 |
Currently, what is more totalitarian, the Cuban Government or the Miami Cuban community? The mere fact that you tip your hat to an adversary is now grounds for discipline? I hate sports talk radio and ESPN turned into sports talk radio today. If I hear another comparison of Fidel=Hitler or Fidel=Osama bin Ladin, I'm going to puke. Play Ball! | ||||||
| 4 | Razor ID: 551031157 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 18:48 |
Who does the Miami Cuban community oppress exactly? Ozzie Guillen got suspended by his employer for damaging the company's reputation publicly, not for "tipping his hat to an adversary", unless you call loving and respecting someone a "tip of the hat." | ||||||
| 5 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 18:57 | He got suspended because Miami's Cuban population is freaking crazy. They oppress pretty much any dissent from the Castro = Satan line. | ||||||
| 6 | Frick ID: 52182321 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 20:37 | Isn't the new Miami stadium in Little Havana? | ||||||
| 7 | Seattle Zen ID: 10732616 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 20:45 | Since he certainly never said "loved", then yes, "tipping one's hat" is an offer of respect. Living for 60 years with a target on your back, yeah, that earned him the hat tip. | ||||||
| 8 | Mith ID: 23217270 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 20:48 |
Guillen gets a 5 game susrepension reprimand for a comment about a foreign despot because of the outcry from the local community where his employer operates. This leads Boldwin to boast about the considerable public scorn he received, implying Guillen got what was coming to him. But National Review reprimanding a long time employee for a similarly reputation-damaging, PR compromising expression after years of similar behavior is submission to anti-free-speech PC thought police? If John Derbyshire deserves no scorn for a racist diatribe why should B be so smug over Guillen receiving exactly the same type of scorn? | ||||||
| 9 | bibA ID: 4057177 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 21:04 | Maybe he agrees with Derbyshire's views, and disagrees with those expressed by Guillenh. | ||||||
| 10 | Mith ID: 23217270 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 21:14 |
Possible, but I don't think that's quite it. In a vacuum, I don't think you could get Boldy to agree with the second page of Derb's column in a million years, even if he insists this week that it contains certain realities. I think the issue is that B has one set of standards for the appropriateness of rightist public outrage and what it should accomplish and another set for leftist outrage. | ||||||
| 11 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 21:42 | That's what happens when you believe, like Derb, that you are in a political bunker. | ||||||
| 12 | Razor ID: 432493118 Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 22:29 | Guillen did say he loved Castro. It was a foolish comment to make in that town, but let's be clear, the Florida Marlins suspended him for completely embarrassing the organization. The Cuban community did not do anything except voice their disapproval, which is certainly within their rights. | ||||||
| 13 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Tue, May 15, 2012, 15:51 | Best piece on the Guillen situation and Cuba I've read, hands down. | ||||||
| 14 | Boldwin ID: 3944693 Tue, May 15, 2012, 22:43 | Which just goes to show that the Cubans have more character and principles than Americans who forgave the butchers of Tianamen Square a couple weeks later for no discernible reason. | ||||||
| 15 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Tue, May 15, 2012, 23:06 | Or, they are just stubborn. Hard to tell. | ||||||
| 16 | Boldwin ID: 3944693 Wed, May 16, 2012, 07:52 | Liberals with that attitude should be air-dropped over North Korea for a years' educational vacation. How you get back is your problem but if you get back, I'm thinking that you'd be teaching anti-communism to the Cuban community. | ||||||
| 17 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Wed, May 16, 2012, 10:48 |
We're working on that time machine now, to get you back to a place you feel more comfortable. Clearly reality is taking its toll on you. | ||||||
| 18 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Wed, May 16, 2012, 12:12 | B's dream job, would have been as a page for Sen McCarthy. A communist around every corner and behind every coat-stand. | ||||||
| 19 | Boldwin ID: 3944693 Wed, May 16, 2012, 18:24 |
Tell the residents of Camp 22 your time travel joke.
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| 20 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Wed, May 16, 2012, 18:42 |
Always looking for a boogeyman to justify your overwraught imaginations of the last boogeyman. | ||||||
| 21 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Wed, May 16, 2012, 19:02 | sooooooooooooooooo in a discussion about a baseball player and a Cuban; satellite images on N Korea are relevant...how exactly? | ||||||
| 22 | Boldwin ID: 3944693 Wed, May 16, 2012, 19:27 | Just talking about idiot liberals in the west who think like Ozzie. And who make jokes at the expense of the Cuban community because the Cubans know just what idiots those liberals are. | ||||||
| 23 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Wed, May 16, 2012, 19:32 | Odd, most of us think the same of sanctimonious rightwingers who dont bother to vote, but feel fully justified in bad mouthing people who disagree with them. | ||||||
| 24 | Controlled Bursts ID: 41613226 Thu, May 17, 2012, 06:55 | Ozzie Guillen has the right to support any political leader he wants. If they can go after Ozzie and take away his livelihood in the form of a suspenion for supporting Castro, one day they will do it to you for the whomever you're supporting. He should be able to "get away with it" anywhere he wants so long as the 1st Amendment applies. If I were Ozzie I'd lawyer up. | ||||||
| 25 | Razor ID: 551031157 Thu, May 17, 2012, 09:22 | So employer's can't suspend their employees for embarrassing the company publicly? I am not sure you know what the 1st Amendment does and doesn't do. | ||||||
| 26 | weykool ID: 542292223 Thu, May 17, 2012, 09:51 |
The 1st amendment applies to the government suppressing speech and has nothing to do with your employer. You are free to say whatever you want so long as you are willing to accept the consequences including getting suspended or fired. | ||||||
| 27 | Tree ID: 17039238 Thu, May 17, 2012, 10:29 |
Just talking about idiot liberals in the west who think like Ozzie. And who make jokes at the expense of the Cuban community because the Cubans know just what idiots those liberals are. says the guy who makes jokes at the expense of the black community, the gay community, and a whole mess of communities. (of course, we know that Baldwin's "support" of the Cuban community comes because they do tend to lean Right with their voting. This is slowly tilting though, and it's only a matter of time before he turns on them like he does everyone else who's support for his radical causes wanes.) never mind the immigration policy vis a vis Cubans vs. other Hispanic minorities. i'd LOVE to be wrong here, but i suspect Baldwin supports the illegal migration of Cubans to this country, in stark contrast to his disdain of other illegal migration. | ||||||
| 28 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Thu, May 17, 2012, 11:43 | WK is spot one here. In most states, there exists no automatic right to work. (Not to be confused with so called 'right o work' laws, which have nothing to do at all, with an inherent 'right' to work) In most states, labor laws and employment conditions are such that short of a contract, generally rendering you a 1099 vs W2 employee/worker, an employer is within their rights to terminate the working relationship, at any time, for any reason. Spurious reasons, simply allow then for the collection of unemployment. | ||||||
| 29 | Boldwin ID: 3944693 Thu, May 17, 2012, 13:24 |
Liberals have mounted countless attempts to get conservatives fired. This would be a rare incident if it worked the other way around. I kinda liked Ozzie when he played for my WS, not really trying to get him fired. He always was on the wierd santeria, occult, liberal, whackjob side. Never know what crazy thing he's gonna pull outta the ole wazzoo, and since he's in the entertainment business, it is kinda entertaining watching him dance the bizzaro. I do appreciate that the Cuban commmunity is making him sweat and reconsider saying nice things about evil men. | ||||||
| 30 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Thu, May 17, 2012, 13:47 | project much? | ||||||
| 31 | Tree ID: 414451713 Thu, May 17, 2012, 14:51 |
Liberals have mounted countless attempts to get conservatives fired. This would be a rare incident if it worked the other way around. you are smoking some good $hit. conservatives work every day to get liberals fired. hell, the Tea Party was built on that. | ||||||
| 32 | Controlled Bursts ID: 41613226 Thu, May 17, 2012, 21:27 | What Ozzie Guillen said has absolutely nothing to do with his job of managing a baseball team. If the people who hired Ozzie at the Marlins were surprised that he mouthed off about Castro, they themselves should be suspended or fired not him because they obviously have been living under a rock or they didn't vet him properly. Guillen is one of the, if not the, most outspoken manager in baseball and has been that way for some time. So surprise when he says something controversial. | ||||||
| 33 | Boldwin ID: 3944693 Thu, May 17, 2012, 21:55 | That's not so far off the mark. It wasn't the first time Ozzie's serenaded a marxist and the management of the Marlins know their community. | ||||||
| 34 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, May 18, 2012, 20:50 |
The management of the Marlins know their community Indeed, they do. They are surrounded by overly sensitive yahoos who take the law into their own hands if they feel insulted. "Politically correct" would be just about anything said or done in Little Havana. | ||||||
| 35 | Boldwin ID: 3944693 Sat, May 19, 2012, 07:16 | Who are you to decide how upset someone should be because they were driven out of their country and possessions? | ||||||
| 36 | weykool ID: 542292223 Sat, May 19, 2012, 10:03 |
What Ozzie Guillen said has absolutely nothing to do with his job of managing a baseball team. EXACTLY. He was hired to manage a baseball team; not to provide controversial political commentary. Nobody cares what he has to say if he isnt a managing the Marlins. | ||||||
| 37 | Mith ID: 37838313 Sat, May 19, 2012, 15:39 |
Nobody cares... if he isnt a managing the Marlins I don't know if that's true but I agree the Marlins are well within their right to discipline their employees for public statements which aren't in line with the image they want to portray. I agree with 32 & 33 also. | ||||||
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