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Subject: War On Conservative Women Posted by: Boldwin - [12214143] Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 11:22 Built this family while beating cancer and struggling with MS. Never worked a day in her life, according to Hillary Rosen. Rosen, a key campaign donor, advisor to the campaign, tight with Axelrod, Anita Dunn, Valerie Jarrett, Michele and her firm works for the DNC, 35 or 36 WH visits. Hilary Rosen, her former partner and their adopted twins. | |||||||
| 1 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 11:37 |
Rosen wasn’t just being nasty about a woman she wanted to paint as out of touch with ordinary people.- John Podhoretz | ||||||
| 2 | Tree ID: 353301310 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 11:44 |
how quick he suddenly comes to defense of a Romney now. Hilary Rosen was wrong in her comments on Ann Romney. and she apologized for her mistake. my friend Liz run a fairly popular blog about parenting. at one point in her life, she was a care-free fairly successful ad exec in NYC living like Carrie Bradshaw, when she decided to leave her career and start having babies with her partner. this led to her blog, Mom-101, and a site called Cool Mom Picks, which blossomed into something fairly lucrative, and has earned her several appearances on shows like Good Morning America. anyway, point being, she likes to avoid politics, but certainly has some good thoughts on this "Mommy Wars" crap... | ||||||
| 3 | Mith ID: 23217270 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 11:44 | A comment from a political strategist that everyone in the party - including the president - climbed over one another to criticize constitutes a war? | ||||||
| 4 | Tree ID: 353301310 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 11:47 |
i started posting my #2 before Baldwin posted his inane #1. it was if it was predictable what the next bit of nonsense to come out of his mouth was. those words from Podhoretz are the same sort of crap you're willing to believe. anything that paints liberals in a negative light, you'll suck it like a teat of a god, no matter how silly it is in reality. | ||||||
| 5 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 11:58 |
1) She works, designing the DNC campaign strategy at her firm SKDKnickerbocker which has been paid $120,864 by the DNC this cycle alone. 2) Obama did the setup for this stunt a week ago. Here he foreshadowed the attack by painting stay-at-home-mom as a luxury only affordable by the wealthy. | ||||||
| 6 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 11:59 | Another fake outrage by the Right, to cover for the holes in their policies. | ||||||
| 7 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 12:03 | Au contraire. It is Obama who wins even when this blows up in his face because it's just another day in the election cycle he has us not talking about his failed economic recovery. | ||||||
| 8 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 12:13 |
Pulling us back from the bring of a failed economy brought about by the short sighted policies of GWB (cheered on by folks like you, who hate government on principle yet try to paint your success in harming government as a "liberal" failing) is hardly an Obama problem. Romney is looking at Walter Mondale-like numbers come November, despite your best efforts to prop him up in the meantime. | ||||||
| 9 | Mith ID: 50151411 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 12:13 |
It wasn't even said in the context Boldy and the hair on fire crowd on the right are screaming over. It was a stupid thing for her to say because of how easily it's twisted up by the peanut gallery but for the record here she was not criticizing Ann Romney's lifestyle. She was talking about Mitt Romney's appeal to women. Well, first, can we just get rid of this word "war" on women? The Obama campaign does not use it. President Obama does not use it. This is something that the Republicans are accusing people of using, but they're actually the one spreading it.The obvious point in context is that Romney's point that he understands how women feel about finances from talking to his wife is weak because his wife has never had to live with the economic concerns of a typical woman. It's been the dominant subject on FNC all morning and I have yet to see what she said presented in it's proper context, even by the Dem contributer they brought in to debate Monica Crowley about it. | ||||||
| 10 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 12:23 |
Well, first, can we just get rid of this word "war" on women? The Obama campaign does not use it. President Obama does not use it. This is something that the Republicans are accusing people of using, but they're actually the one spreading it. One week ago, Head of the DNC explains what she means by the charge 'republican war on women' and why she thinks it's appropriate. | ||||||
| 11 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 12:35 |
Absolutely FNC is all over it--they are desperate to refocus the attention on Democrats because otherwise they bring literally nothing useful to the table. They know the only way they can win is to continue to paint Dems as being horrible. Using fake statistics is only the first step. Truth is, Romney, and the GOP in general, have terrible numbers among women as a result of their ham-fisted wayback trip to the 50s they've been taking during their own primary. | ||||||
| 12 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 12:40 | Women believe in government handouts more than men do. It's just another problem we responsible men have to make up for. | ||||||
| 13 | Mith ID: 50151411 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 12:42 |
So what exactly is your pointy here? You started this thread to join the conservative PC zeitgeist mob attack on Rosen's out-of-context quote, falsely accusing her of criticizing stay at home moms, behaving exactly as you accuse liberals of acting in the Trayvon Martin thread and named it 'War on Conservative Women'. Then when the actual context is pointed out you single out the portion in which she backs off from the leftist hyperbolic use of the term war - and you criticize her for that, as if you'd take a nanosecond's issue with any Republican using that word to frame any conflict of tthe moment. We can't say "war on [issue]" because we have Americans risking their lives in a real war? Is that really where the self-appointed anti-PC speech crusader of the forum wants to stand? | ||||||
| 14 | Tree ID: 43521311 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 13:01 |
Women believe in government handouts more than men do. It's just another problem we responsible men have to make up for. lol..what!?!!? in your first post, you have outrage over Rosen's comments about women, and then in your last you disrespect women tremendously....oy... | ||||||
| 15 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 13:31 |
Women happen to be well represented in some of the very places the GOP is trying to shrink. So the way it works, Tree, is that the GOP gets rid of large numbers of public school teachers and public sector employees, then they lay the blame on Obama for the terrible unemployment rates for women. A win-win, yes? | ||||||
| 16 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 19:07 |
Since Obama sees women as the segment of the population large enuff and likely enuff to save his bacon in November, I assume we'll be diverted to talking about this 'war on women' meme a lot, tho we should really be focusing on the lack of jobs jobs jobs instead. That's why this thread was needed. | ||||||
| 17 | Mith ID: 37838313 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 20:02 |
? You started a thread about the war on women - featuring an out of context quote from a Dem strategist which you believed was disparraging to certain women - so that you had a place to complain that talking about the war on women was a distraction from the real issues? Sure, buddy. | ||||||
| 18 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 20:31 | How could the political forum not have a thread for Obama's favorite diversionary subject? | ||||||
| 19 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 20:34 | And Rosen is at the center of Obama's campaign planning. That's the context. | ||||||
| 20 | Mith ID: 37838313 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 20:41 |
Actually she is not part of Obama's campaign. But even if she were, the quote you posted was (again) taken out of context anyway. If Perm Dude claims he knows all about fly fishing because Boldwin tells him all about fly fishing, and I point out to Perm Dude that Boldwin has never spent a day fly fishing in his life, I have neither attacked Boldwin nor people who don't go fly fishing. This is the epitome of the PC hate mob mentality you rail against when you perceive it from the other side. | ||||||
| 21 | soxzeitgeist ID: 493431319 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 20:44 |
*chuckle* It's amazing that in a thread of 20 posts, 6 of them belong to Baldwin, and in those six, he manages to disagree with his own premises in starting said thread. UFO. UFO. UFO. Oh wait, that's a meme! A meme that started as humor, but I now believe was accidently (intelligently?) desigined to make baldy seem less crazy. | ||||||
| 22 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Fri, Apr 13, 2012, 21:08 |
(A) The Romney family, is "out of touch" with Americans daily reality. Mitt has made over the past 2 years, approx $1,750,000 month. Yet his wife, was not long ago quoted as saying she doesn't consider them to be rich.(No, just that her hubbys income would pay for a Bugatti Veyron, every month. Pretty sure, that constitutes rich.) (B) Mrs Romney was said that while she and Mitt were in college, money was so tight, they considered selling some of their stock portfolio. Oh noooooooo. Not that. Why, every 20 yr old college student I know of, has had to sell their stock. Mostly, so they could buy Ramen Noodles, but thats another story. (C) As MITH pointed out so clearly above, the quote is being taken entirely out of context and spun by the Right, into something it never was. | ||||||
| 24 | Tree ID: 17039238 Sat, Apr 14, 2012, 00:42 |
How could the political forum not have a thread for Obama's favorite diversionary subject? if anyone here knows about diversionary tactics, it's you. after all, you usually employ them within a couple posts of whatever original premise you have, usually to avoid talking about the original premise when in a matter of moments it's been proven false. again. | ||||||
| 25 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Sat, Apr 14, 2012, 04:59 | Yeah, that's the only debate winning you do, Tree. Imaginary. But don't let me interrupt your fantasy. Do go on. | ||||||
| 26 | Tree ID: 17039238 Sat, Apr 14, 2012, 08:50 | truth hurts, eh? | ||||||
| 27 | nerveclinic ID: 4711362616 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 06:02 |
OMG original poster. What is up with those hideous blue check shirts and orange polka dot dresses? That family looks like they should be on an episode of Hee Haw. Can't someone with that kind of money hire a professional stylist for a family photo so they don't look so awkward and unaware? Can someone tell Mitt it's not 1950 and Leave It to Beaver went off the air a along time ago? | ||||||
| 28 | nerveclinic ID: 4711362616 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 06:05 |
By the way the kids in the Rosen photo look a lot more comfortable, natural and happy. Not really sure what your point was there. You aren't saying Romney's wife bore and raised ALL those kids kids in the photo? Good lord I hope she's on a good calcium supplement. | ||||||
| 29 | Mith ID: 23217270 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 09:15 |
His point was that liberal lesbo-fascists in the Obama campaign are waging war on conservative women who adhere to traditional roles of changing diapers and scrubbing floors like the first lady of Bain Capital surely spent her early adulthood. When it was pointed out to him that the quote that set conservatism's hair on fire turned out to be presented wildly out of context, we were told the point of the thread was actually to expose a distraction employed by Obama - the charge that the right is waging a war on women. The notion that juxtaposing family photos of Ann Romney and Hilary Rosen alongside Rosen's out of context quote is intended to show the reader that Obama is drumming up a false "war on women" meme is simply hilarious. | ||||||
| 30 | weykool ID: 542292223 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 10:20 | You keep saying the quote was taken out of context....please explain what the intended context was. | ||||||
| 31 | Mith ID: 23217270 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 11:03 |
Weykool I don't believe post #9 is unclear. | ||||||
| 32 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 12:40 | Most of those are the grandkids, nerve. She and Mitt have five kids, all boys I think. | ||||||
| 33 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 14:46 |
His point was that liberal lesbo-fascists in the Obama campaign are waging war on conservative women Feminazi, but your effort was appreciated. | ||||||
| 34 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 15:01 |
We should start a running list of all the distractions Obama tries up to the election to keep the news cycle off the economy. WoWomen WoBlack kids Curiously no Afghanistan war, he isn't waving his arms over there WoBin Laden...I'll give him a pass and pat-on-the-back on that one WoRich WoPalin, always good for that one news cycle when you can't think of anything else WoBush, still doing it all WoVoters, the nerve of republicans to deny the dead, illegal, felon and multiple voter WoBreitbart, got bloody WoArapiao WoConservative media WoOil industry WoEliminationist rhetoric, like calling everything a war? | ||||||
| 35 | Tree ID: 353321615 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 16:46 | you can start and end with such absurdities as the Birther movement when it comes to distractions. that one takes the cake. | ||||||
| 36 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 18:22 |
Because the real point makes them look bad, they have to do what they can to make the point about something within their comfort level. Changing their opinion isn't in their comfort level, btw. | ||||||
| 37 | weykool ID: 542292223 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 21:14 |
Post #9 is very clear, except for your claim that it was out of context. You posted the quote when taken in context is very demeaning towards stay at home moms. You then go on to further demean stay at home moms by implying that they are not "typical women". You then somehow make an unsupported claim that is was taken out of context. If it's out of context why did she attempt to apologize?(An apology in which she repeated the very comment she was supposed to be apologizing for.) Posts: 9,13,17, and 20 repeat your claim which tells me not only are you desperately trying to spin it that it was out of context, but that if you repeat it often often enough you can make it true or even convince yourself. Again I ask please explain how it is taken out of context. | ||||||
| 38 | Mith ID: 50151411 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 22:54 |
You posted the quote when taken in context is very demeaning towards stay at home moms. That sentence doesn't make any sense. I honestly don't understand it. You then go on to further demean stay at home moms by implying that they are not "typical women". At no point did I say anything like this. Read what I wrote again. I said that Ann Romney does not share the same concerns as a typical woman. The point was that Ann Romney is filthy rich. How in the world can she relate to the financial concerns of typical (read: not filthy rich) women, much less relay a relation she does not possess to her husband. Is this really too confusing for you? You then somehow make an unsupported claim that is was taken out of context. The only support necessary for my "claim" is basic comprehension of perhaps 4th grade level English. If it's out of context why did she attempt to apologize This is a good quesstion. I heard Megyn Kelly say today that Rosen initially "doubled down" on what she said and then "tripled down" on it before she finally apologized. My guess is that she was pressured by the administration or the DNC to just give it up. Once the rightist media wallpapered their coverage with the out-of-context quote, setting the record straight became impossible and they shifted to damage control. Politics 101. I don't like it but that's part of the reality of the game they have to play. Again I ask please explain how it is taken out of context. Sorry, I don't know how to dumb it down any further for someone who is too ignorant to figure out the simple terms I put it in. By all means, go on thinking what you wrote. If Frick or Khahan or any of the other intelligent, honest and sane moderates/conservatives have more patience than me maybe they can help you. | ||||||
| 40 | Mith ID: 50151411 Mon, Apr 16, 2012, 23:29 |
Stupid phone. What's really funny is that I think Ann Romney is terrific. I saw a speech she delivered earlier in the year in SLC in which she talked about her battle with MS and Mitt's taking up the Olympics gig during that time and she came across every bit as genuine as Mitt is phoney. How petty to crucify Rosen for making the fully pertinant point that Mitt cannot have (as he claims) learned all about the financial struggles of American women from talking to his wife since she has never had work for a living, much less struggle. The attack is on Mitt and is not in any way disparaging to Ann Romney, as if being a stay at home mom is a terrible secret to be kept hushed by some universal code of honor. My mom was a stay at home mom until a change in my Dad's income meant it was the only way ends would meet. My sisters and I are all better off for that time. Both my sisters, after supporting themselves as single adults, are now stay at home moms; one because she has the financial security to live comfortably an do it and the other despite the fact that she doesn't. I'm nothing but thankful that my neices and nephew have that benefit. What a joke this whole thread is. | ||||||
| 41 | Khahan ID: 54138190 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 00:28 |
If Frick or Khahan or any of the other intelligent, honest and sane moderates/conservatives have more patience than me maybe they can help you. I think this whole 'war on women' this is complete and utter bunk, totally ridiculous, nothing more than a twisting of some warped reality to score political points and needs to go away. Its the kind of thing that both sides can just keep digging up dirt on with no true backing. There are quotes and misquotes out of context applenty to fuel both sides for years to come but it doesn't make either side right. Let the fringe media have their fun for a while and let it die down and go away. | ||||||
| 42 | Frick ID: 14082314 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 08:53 |
I really don't care about the issue. I think Khahan is right, but I go a step further. I just don't care. Both sides are blurring the issue and doing nothing more than trying to make the other side look bad. That doesn't make me want to vote for either side. I'm sure that each side believes that it helps strengthen their base when the squabble over these issues, but those people already have their minds made up. It might sway a few moderates/independents, but I think mainly it just drives people away from politics. So when the do get to the polls they aren't voting as informed consumers, but rather out of a sense of civic duty. Misinformed civic duty, but I think each side wants that. | ||||||
| 43 | Mith ID: 23217270 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 10:41 | I dont disagree with anything in the previous two posts but for the record, there's only one person in this thread who has espoused the war on women meme from either side (and one other poster who allowed himself to be suckered by the phoney outrage over an out-of-context quote in support of that meme). | ||||||
| 44 | Seattle Zen ID: 10732616 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 13:46 |
I honestly believe that the Republican party spits in the eyes of women when they attack Planned Parenthood and they rightly suffer a gender gap because of it. I mean one of your leading presidential candidates disliked birth control! Start thinking about 2016 because we're looking at four more years... | ||||||
| 45 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 17:22 | Republicans were never going to recruit the hardcore baby-killers anyway. Republican's problems with women who are persuadable stem from women's insecurity issues and taste for handouts and extra safety net and mainly Obama's personal likability. | ||||||
| 46 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 17:24 | ummmm you mean it has nothing to do with the GOPs "barefoot and pregnant" mentality? Golly, and I thought women had fully functional brains. Nice to know, what you rightwing extremists REALLY think about them. (Which ironically, is pretty much what we thought you did to start with.) | ||||||
| 47 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 17:31 |
Really impressive that you don't think women can recognize an attack on religion and religious freedom when they see one. Not every woman accepts your 'it's just tissue' line as you back away from sex with consequences. Just the easy ones. | ||||||
| 48 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 17:33 | Thats the blanket the GOP extremists are tossing over the truth. The Administration has bent over backwards to allow religious institutions to opt out. Just that those who are not happy unless they have others on a leash, arent satisfied with having their rights protected. They feel the need yet, to infringe upon others rights. | ||||||
| 49 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 17:52 |
The far right is so anxious to get back to a place they feel comfortable that they don't mind trampling on some rights themselves in their effort to feel good about themselves and their place in this big scary world. They haven't a clue as to how to deal with this real and actual world. That's why they project so much. | ||||||
| 50 | Tree ID: 423101717 Tue, Apr 17, 2012, 18:18 |
Republican's problems with women who are persuadable stem from women's insecurity issues and taste for handouts... wow. | ||||||
| 51 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 04:08 |
“There is a broader level of support [among women] for government taking a bit more active role in terms of a social safety net and helping people,’’ says Michael Dimock, associate director at the center. Why? “Almost two-thirds of women say that they or someone in their family might need a safety net program, while a majority of men say, ‘No, I don’t think anyone in my family will,’ ’’ says Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. “Men tend to think government is there for other people; women tend to think, ‘I might need this help someday.’ ’’ - Pew Research Center | ||||||
| 52 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 05:16 |
The proper republican strategy to counter this dem tactic is to say: "Is the Obama economy working for your family?" | ||||||
| 53 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 07:52 | it is working better than the utter disaster he inherited, yes. TY for asking. | ||||||
| 54 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 10:24 |
The proper response to the GOP: "Why are you against shared sacrifice?" #51: I think that's absolutely true. And men are stupid. We already use government services every single day. | ||||||
| 55 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 11:13 | Because the person asking for it is always on the receiving end. | ||||||
| 56 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 11:19 |
Nonsense. The selfish libertarians have infected your party to the point where the sense of shared sacrifice has been bled off. You are now as selfish as you believe Democrats ever have been. On issue after issue after issue, the Far Right has taken the position that any shared sacrifice is to be avoided at all costs. This is why teachers are fired, taxes are cut while wars are fought, Social Security benefits are suddenly "on the table," and health insurance for all is now an anathema. | ||||||
| 57 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 11:38 |
Between rich Democrat crony capitalists sucking up to Obama and the half of America that doesn't pay income tax and votes for more of the same... ...Where are these Democrats who believe in shared sacrifice? It's all going into their pockets. | ||||||
| 58 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 11:55 | I overlooked that sliver which bought the college propaganda that America is the enemy which needs to be crushed and whose pulverized remains need to be redistributed to the four winds. | ||||||
| 59 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 12:05 | Places I'd like to visit as more than just ash. | ||||||
| 60 | nerveclinic ID: 4711362616 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 12:11 |
Most of those are the grandkids, nerve. She and Mitt have five kids, all boys I think. When will you guys finally understand the depth of my sarcasm? Do I have to hand everything to you on a plate? | ||||||
| 61 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 12:19 |
Heh. Nerve, your wit is sometimes too dry to pick up! Boldwin still twisting in the wind when the dichotomy between his Christianity and his politics comes clear. Nice. Sorry you think that your lack of any kind of shared sacrifice has anything to do with "Democratic cronies." Next up: "Lord, I know you said to feed the hungry and not count the cost. But Barney Frank! And Alinsky!" | ||||||
| 62 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 12:27 |
God's Kingdom will have all the shared excess you could ever want. Man's government cannot accomplish shared sacrifice fairly and without brutality. | ||||||
| 63 | Boldwin ID: 12214143 Wed, Apr 18, 2012, 12:29 | You should have seen the photo Nerve once tried to pass off as himself. 8] | ||||||
| 64 | nerveclinic ID: 4711362616 Sat, Apr 21, 2012, 05:04 |
God's Kingdom will have all the shared excess you could ever want. Enshallah You should have seen the photo Nerve once tried to pass off as himself. 8] What photo was that, I am stumped? | ||||||
| 65 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sat, Apr 21, 2012, 12:43 |
God's Kingdom will have all the shared excess you could ever want. One doesn't get there, however, by being dickish in this one. You are entirely correct that God's Kingdom will blow the minds of those who get there. But you are wrong in thinking that your ticket there is to be Randian. | ||||||
| 66 | sarge33rd ID: 353491011 Sat, Apr 21, 2012, 12:51 |
John clearly states the way; 11:25 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live." | ||||||
| 67 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Tue, Apr 24, 2012, 16:53 | A great piece by Wills, "Bullying the Nuns" His first paragraph is spot on. | ||||||
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