Posted by: Khahan
- [39432178] Mon, Apr 15, 2013, 15:57
Initial reports are not good. 2 explosions 5-15 seconds apart at the Boston Marathon finish line went off today. As of now 2 confirmed casualties but that number is expected to rise as they are sorting thru debris.
Still the possibility this is something like a gas main (or otherwise not terroristic or specifically man-made), but my gut says homegrown psychopath. As more information comes in it sounds less and less like an accident.
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Boldwin
ID: 233202518 Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 19:22
Nerve#408
Where your screed beaks down is that Saudi Wahabi islam is the radical kind, and the Saudis are the ones on a decades long building spree to spread the Wahabi version of Islam.
I totally get that there is a world of difference between a muslim sitting in a cafe in Dubai, or the UAE, or Lebanon, or the typical [quite pro-western worldview] student in Iran...
...and a Yemeni tent dweller living on $100 a year and led around by the nose by some crazy imam.
That difference is what do they actually teach at your mosque and was the mosque built and stocked by Saudi Wahabi ideology, or some other flavor of salafist 'cut-their-heads-off-and-slay-the-infidel' islam.
If it turns out suspect#1 cut off the head of his Boston buddies will you still be telling me about those urbane Gucci wearin' dudes in the world's tallest skyscraper and how great they are? So what?
Yahoo News telling the same 'baffle-and-confuse-the-public' BS story as #414.
Oh, there were several Saudis there and some were more deport-worthy than others and they were all cleared, and they were all just innocently running away, and this one is getting confused with that one and they were all officially cleared, and this great reporter over here already regurgitated the administration cover story so please move along. BTW, we won't tell you the name of the 'innocent' man to protect his innocence so you wouldn't be interested anyway since he's innocent and all that stuff.
Except it was Osama Bin Laden's son, the one he hand-picked to run his terrorism worldwide after his favorite son for that purpose was killed. Standing 50 feet away from the blast.
Which is as interesting a coincidence as you are ever gonna get in your lifetime.
If you really don't want a media which mentions a 'little' detail like that, so you can remain blissfully ignorant, you already have it. Smiles everyone!
The picture of him in a hospital bed being visited by a smiling laughing Michele Obama has the average viewer so deep in cognitive dissonance and denial their occular nerves aren't even reporting the signal.
will you still be telling me about those urbane Gucci wearin' dudes in the world's tallest skyscraper and how great they are? So what?
Where did I say they were great? I just said they are not all blood thirsty bombers as you would have us believe.
Except it was Osama Bin Laden's son, the one he hand-picked to run his terrorism worldwide after his favorite son for that purpose was killed. Standing 50 feet away from the blast.
Evidence please? What is your evidence? looks like false information to me to make the person stupid enough to believe it run his mouth about it to discredit conspiracy theory.
There is a lot of disinformation floating around. I mean really what fool would believe Osama Bin Ladin's son set off bombs at the Boston marathon and then posed with Michele Obama while she visited him in the hospital.
Only a fool would repeat that scenario. But if I guess if you hate Obama enough you might fall for that trick.
The big guys, with Craft badges (navy seal, black water uniforms), ear plugs and black packs exactly like the ones that blew up (Who the government refuses to talk about) that is the more logical culprit if there is one.
In fact the fact that salafist imams instruct their operatives to live off the welfare of their host countries, as was the case of the bomber family, and we let them is just obscene.
You implied earlier that Michele Obama specifically visited Bin Ladin's son in the hospital after he (you imply) probably actually did the bombing.
Then you say maybe she was just visiting all the victims in the hospital and happened to walk into his room, which even if true would be completely harmless.
To which I can only ask, did you get a hold of a bad batch of LSD in your younger days?
Also, this 'he didn't have a gun so he couldn't have shot himself in the neck thing, while true, is rather insignificant compared to the other inconsistencies in the official version of events. Posted somewhere in here is the video of them closing in on the boat. Sounded like 200 shots fired. It's amazing he survived it at all. Not surprising he took one in the neck.
We were told (By the police) he shot himself by placing a gun in his mouth and shooting himself in the throat.
We were told, (By photographic evidence) even though he shot himself in the mouth/throat he was able to climb out to the boat unaided.
Now we are told he didn't have a gun. (By the government)
He didn't shot himself in the mouth. (obviously without a gun)
We were told a black back pack contained the bomb. Yet we see photos of the suspect with a white back pack on.
We were told 2 days earlier they had "A" suspect in custody, were arraigning him at the court house, 5PM news conference. 1 hour before, no one in custody, cancel news conference and everyone clear the court house due to threats. (but maybe their cover was blown) start Over with new suspect.
But you go ahead and work out your story line about how it's all the Muslims fault in concert with the Obamas.
Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 23:00
I suggest you focus on the 'terrorism allowed' angle and less on, 'muslims are great guys so the islam angle is insignificant here'
I suggest you focus on not putting words in peoples' mouths. Nobody said that. Not even close. Comments like these are merely a distraction from the litany of things thrown against the wall to see what sticks.
Here's what sticks. There's a level of Islamophobia that prohibits any rational thought process. We all know that there's a faction of Muslims who are intent on terrorist acts against Western culture. We also know that if the vast majority, or even a significant minority of Muslims were committed to violent jihad in this country, there would be a Boston Marathon bombing, a mall bombing, a sports arena bombing, a supermarket bombing etc, on a daily basis.
But the reality is that Muslim acts of terrorism in this country have been extremely rare, relatively speaking, because most Muslims don't subscribe to this ideology. Yet, in your quest to demonize all Muslims, in your own words,
It could have been prevented and the early warning showed you where you were going wrong
the suggestion is that a 'final solution' is in order to prevent us from going wrong.
#391... Exactly what I predicted. But people in this country do not care...give the US citizen his rights. One of the first thing the gov should have done is revoke his false citizenship.
the suggestion is that a 'final solution' is in order to prevent us from going wrong.
That is either a hallucination you are experiencing or you have sinister intentions toward me. No functionally literate and sane english speaking person could derive that from what I have posted.
At this point in the story, do you feel that what is being reported is correct and the police are trying to cover up what happened. Or journalists are guessing or using "sources" that are guessing and reporting it as news? I have a hard time going the conspiracy route when the news reports have been so glaring wrong multiple, multiple times. The need to be the first to report has drastically reduced the need to be correct. I think the industry is starting to realize that being first, but wrong, isn't a good long-term plan. Sure, it might get you instant ratings, but overtime people will stop tuning in as they realize that you are often not right. At least that is what I hope will happen.
Find it pretty duplicitous that god forbid we remove rights from terrorists and this will lead to "fascism" or everyone losing these rights. Yet you are in favor of gun registration...and think there is no possible way that would ever lead to confiscation?
At this point it is not just the media that seems to change these stories. The police, government, etc...are releasing statements and then directly contradicting these statements in future official statements. I am generally not a conspiracy theory person but it does really seem we have a government that is trying to control the narrative. We generally get one story from the people on the ground (police, direct witness) and then we get a whole new story after the fact from government officials. Sort of scary.
Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318 Fri, Apr 26, 2013, 09:45
No functionally literate and sane english speaking person could derive that from what I have posted.
Perhaps it would be more productive to examine how someone could derive such a conclusion from your posts instead of lashing out with a personal attack on my intelligence and sanity.
That you would accuse me of having sinister intentions towards you is a hallucination. Your campaign to paint Muslims as those who should be feared and mistrusted; who are intent on world domination and enslaving and slitting the throats of non-Muslims; who are the main component and antagonist of the inevitable World War III is well documented in this forum.
As a big fan of Pamela Geller, who you decided deserved her own thread because One day you will look back and realize it was her early on leading the war for your personal survival, it might be enlightening to see what some of her other fervent fans have to say in the comments section of Atlas Shrugs
>So let me get this straight. Some snot-nosed-jihadi-wannabe says "BOO" and we have to jump, how high? So sick of these f****g Muslims.
Time to retaliate, big time. Time to take it back to them and make them squirm. Time to make them so uncomfortable that they don't have time to do the jihad two step.
>Got to start rounding them up, get them out. What's the government waiting for?
>The adherents to the example of the "prophet Mohammad" do not like being exposed and especially not challenged. And loyal, lying, genocidal adherents they are, too. Adherents like CAIR, ISNA and the MSA.
I predict many more and far worse massacres by Islam on our soil. With the Obama administration befriending Sharia and aiding and abetting our mortal enemy, the Muslim Brotherhood worldwide, what different outcome could be expected?
When will the West get it? Islam is an ideology of hate, violence, and extermination for non-believers.
Given these comments, which are typical on Geller's and similar sites Boldwin supports, one doesn't have to wonder what kind of solution they seek. They spell it out in no uncertain terms:
every time someone starts painting all Muslims as bad, and we get that "round 'em up" attitude, i can only think of Martin Niemöller.
"First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me."
i firmly believe we, the United States, are the good guys, and we have to do things the right way, even if other's aren't. i believe that with every fiber of my body.
No one writing anything I endorse is talking about rounding up the 'human shield' moderate muslims in order to get at the radical muslims.
Nevertheless the koran is every bit as radical as the radicals. They have the literal interpretation and are acting on it.
The 'tolerant' ones are the ones who will round up all the religious once they get a full taste of jihad. They've been trying to lump all religious people together. They've been the ones calling me taliban for years. They are the anti-religious.
Ever notice that the same people so worried we'll lump moderate muslims in with the radical muslims think it's a hoot to call Christians 'the taliban'?
Yeah, well your idea of extremist is anyone who believes in the constitution and the majority of the republican party, so the word has no valid meaning when you use it.
Update: The third suspect has been identified as Robel Phillipos, an American citizen. The affadavit alleges that the three may not have had prior knowledge of the bombing, but they helped the bombers dispose of evidence afterward — without being asked to do so. They threw away the younger bomber’s backpack after learning that he was a suspect.
Lieberman also opined that the information-sharing reforms enacted after 9/11 may have made it more difficult “to separate the wheat from the chaff, to identify the most important dots on the board so that they can be connected.”
“We’ve still got to ask, and I hope you will, shouldn’t the fact that the first notice of Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s possible radicalization came to us from a very uncommon source, Russian intelligence, have marked the case for special handling by our government and guaranteed that this file would not be closed? Were the original FBI interviews of Tamerlan Tsarnaev adequate to determine whether he was likely to radicalize to violent Islamist extremism?” he said.
Lieberman also wasn’t so quick to shift some blame away from the Boston mosque that claimed it threw the elder Tsarnaev brother out for radical ranting.
“The leaders and the members of the Boston mosque that threw Tamerlan out because of his extreme views could have said something to the police and even done something to counter his radicalization... ---
Committee Chairman Mike McCaul (R-Texas) noted “he was on our radar screen, and then he was off.”
“What remains unanswered is whether this information was shared between federal agencies and state and local officials,” he added, referencing the timeline of Tsarnaev leaving the country for Dagestan last year after warnings about his radicalization.
“Equally concerning is the emerging narrative which downplays the spread of the global jihadist movement,” McCaul said. “From the attack in Fort Hood to the tragedy at Benghazi, the Boston bombings are our most recent reminder that we all must — we must call terrorism really for what it is in order to confront it. You cannot defeat an enemy you refuse to acknowledge.”
A former federal counterterrorism prosecutor, McCaul said he “was disturbed in the days FOLLOWING the attack to read that some officials had closed the case on whether there was a foreign connection when the FBI had just begun its investigation… this rush to judgment, in my view, was premature and irresponsible.” ---
“It was self-evidently and publicly violent Islamist extremism that led to the attacks on us on 9/11/01 and didn’t take detective work. Osama bin Laden and everybody else declared that to be the purpose. They want to bring down America and our civilization. And I — you know, it’s the old Chinese wisdom a millennia ago: The first thing you gotta know in war is your enemy is. And you have to call it by its name,” Lieberman said.
“What is gained by the president’s refusal to appropriately describe jihad as expressed by radical Islamist extremists as their motivation for attacking the United States and other free nations?” Perry said.
“Well, I don’t know. In other words, this is a debate that I had over the years in my time in the Senate and particularly with this administration,” Lieberman responded.
“The sad fact is today that most terrorists that we’re dealing with in America are inspired by this violent Islamic extremist ideology,” he added. “You have to recognize that to deal with them.”
To me that fact that they pre-emptively shut down the investigation into foreign connections at the start of the investigation is the smoking gun that reveals that this was an allowed attack and they are covering their tracks, [has anyone checked if Jamie Gorlick the "mistress of disaster" was nearby?]
the Saudi government also denied an entry visa to Tsarnaev in Dec. 2011 when he purportedly sought to take the Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca, the individual claimed. This is the first time that alleged plans to visit Islam’s most holy city have been divulged.
The source went on to say that, although the letter, which purportedly came from the Saudi Ministry of Interior, did not name Boston specifically, it did cite Tsarnaev and it was “very specific.” The Saudi official also told the outlet that the notice warned the U.S. government that “something was going to happen in a major U.S. city.”
According to the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, the information-gathering was not fully developed, but the Middle Eastern nation allegedly sent it to offer help to the U.S. government. In addition to sounding the alarm, the document was also apparently intended to urge U.S. officials to search packages that reached Tsarnaev in the mail (to see if they contained bomb-making materials). - The Blaze, yes I know, you do not like the source.
The more that is learned, the less likely it seems that they 'just lost track' of Tamerlan in the sea of too many people needing investigation.
Catch up, Sarge. MITH posted the EMT arrested for this three days ago in the West Texas thread. You can stop lecturing us on the beauty of federal safety regulations already.
Why is the Jody Arias case getting so much coverage? She killed her boyfriend. That is a sad story, but I doubt there are less than 100 similar cases currently going through the system at the moment. But, since she is young, white, somewhat attractive it is getting wall to wall coverage. Blame the public who tune in.
MITH posted the EMT arrested for this three days ago in the West Texas thread. You can stop lecturing us on the beauty of federal safety regulations already.
so, do you actually READ any articles you link to? or keep up with current events?
Deadly End to F.B.I. Queries on Tsarnaev and a Triple Killing
That question deepened early Wednesday when a man in Orlando, Fla., who was being interviewed by at least one F.B.I. agent and other investigators, implicated himself and Mr. Tsarnaev in those murders, and then was fatally shot after he apparently tried to assault the agent, two senior law enforcement officials said.