| Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- [25337239] Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 07:49
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Standings | Wk1 | Wk2 | Wk3 | Wk4 | Wk5 | Wk6 | Wk7 | Wk8 | Wk9 | Wk10 | 1-10 Total | 1-10 Rnk | 1 | This is Extreme - Mike D | 112 | 115 | 61 | 112 | 349 | 141 | 85 | 99 | 130 | 250 | 1454 | 1 | 2 | Rise Of The Phoenix - Great One | 100 | 356 | 71 | 74 | 197 | 107 | 39 | 62 | 104 | 147 | 1257 | 2 | 3 | The Flying Jalapenos - MITH | 96 | 176 | 85 | 44 | 114 | 106 | 95 | 95 | 87 | 129 | 1027 | 3 | 4 | Total Awesomeness - Species | 73 | 176 | 90 | 92 | 79 | 62 | 59 | 47 | 60 | 193 | 931 | 6 | 5 | Team Stratusfaction - Farn | 34 | 229 | 45 | 58 | 141 | 70 | 78 | 120 | 34 | 68 | 877 | 4 | 6 | Eight Freakin' Dwarves - Tree | 98 | 90 | 101 | 43 | 202 | 40 | 41 | 30 | 87 | 50 | 782 | 7 | 7 | Cripple This - Goatlocker | 29 | 82 | 99 | 59 | 164 | 67 | 126 | 59 | 20 | 66 | 771 | 5 | 8 | You Only Live Twice - Bond, James Bond | 75 | 150 | 79 | 86 | 121 | 42 | 23 | 47 | 65 | 63 | 751 | 8 | 9 | The Collapsed Lungs - Kev | 42 | 51 | 31 | 48 | 186 | 58 | 77 | 45 | 63 | 141 | 742 | 9 | 10 | First To Worst - Wiggs | 38 | 150 | 75 | 53 | 52 | 12 | 5 | 63 | 38 | 20 | 506 | 10 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Weeks 11-20 | Wk11 | Wk12 | Wk13 | Wk14 | Wk15 | Wk16 | Wk17 | Wk18 | Wk19 | Wk20 | Total | Lst Wk | 1 | This is Extreme - Mike D | 82 | 52 | 114 | 235 | 150 | 93 | 113 | 155 | | | 2448 | 1 | 2 | Rise Of The Phoenix - Great One | 116 | 49 | 36 | 178 | 83 | 70 | 51 | 156 | | | 1996 | 2 | 4 | Team Stratusfaction - Farn | 33 | 105 | 51 | 174 | 67 | 115 | 71 | 216 | | | 1709 | 3 | 3 | Total Awesomeness - Species | 93 | 81 | 63 | 91 | 49 | 120 | 55 | 194 | | | 1677 | 4 | 5 | The Flying Jalapenos - MITH | 38 | 53 | 33 | 154 | 37 | 52 | 29 | 91 | | | 1514 | 5 | 6 | Cripple This - Goatlocker | 60 | 7 | 63 | 220 | 44 | 55 | 89 | 122 | | | 1431 | 6 | 7 | The Collapsed Lungs - Kev | 79 | 85 | 59 | 119 | 29 | 74 | 24 | 139 | | | 1350 | 7 | 8 | Eight Freakin' Dwarves - Tree | 59 | 44 | 12 | 104 | 50 | 46 | 48 | 44 | | | 1189 | 8 | 9 | You Only Live Twice - Bond, James Bond | 37 | 62 | 40 | 41 | 0 | 37 | 37 | 67 | | | 1072 | 9 | 10 | First To Worst - Wiggs | 18 | 0 | 5 | 32 | 7 | 31 | 42 | 78 | | | 719 | 10 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Individual Scoring | | | | | | | Team Stats | | | | | | | | | | | | | 1 | John Cena | 663 | | | | First To Worst | | | | | 2 | Batista | 621 | | | | Wiggs | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | 3 | Kurt Angle | 619 | | | | Viscera | X | | 284 | 284 | 4 | Chris Benoit | 541 | | | | Maven | X | | 66 | 66 | 5 | Carlito Cool | 523 | | | | Matt Striker | X | | 0 | 40 | 6 | Edge | 514 | | | | Randy Orton | X | 78 | 162 | 162 | 7 | Bradshaw | 494 | | | | Steve Austin | X | | 13 | 13 | 8 | Booker T | 473 | | | | Rob Van Dam | X | | 5 | 5 | 9 | Chris Jericho | 459 | | | | Kid Kash | | | 0 | 0 | 10 | Heidenreich | 457 | | | | Todd Shane | | | 0 | 0 | 11 | Rey Mysterio | 431 | | | | | | | | | 12 | Shelton Benjamin | 398 | | | | #Mark Jindrake 1-15 | | | 34 | | 13 | Joey Mercury | 393 | | | | #Chris Jericho 1-5 | | | 155 | | 14 | Eddie Guerrero | 383 | | | | Total | | 78 | 719 | | 15 | Christian | 363 | | | | | | | | | 16 | Orlando Jordan | 362 | | | | The Flying | | | | | 17 | Shawn Michaels | 353 | | | | Jalapenos | | | | | 18 | Kane | 345 | | | | MITH | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | 19 | Johnny Nitro | 333 | | | | Bradshaw | X | 41 | 494 | 494 | 20 | Muhammad Hassan | 318 | | | | Shelton Benjamin | X | 15 | 398 | 398 | 21 | Big Show | 312 | | | | Triple H | | | 212 | 212 | 22 | Viscera | 284 | | | | Psicosis | X | 30 | 159 | 159 | 23 | Daivari | 225 | | | | Jilian Hall | X | 5 | 29 | 31 | 24 | Hurricane | 214 | | | | Trevor Rhodes | X | | 0 | 0 | 25 | Triple H | 212 | | | | Paul Birchall | X | | 0 | 0 | 26 | Chris Masters | 207 | | | | Kenzo Suzuki | | | 0 | 0 | | Rob Conway | 207 | | | | | | | | | 28 | Animal | 203 | | | | #Matt Morgan 1-15 | | | 197 | | 29 | Rosey | 202 | | | | #Akio 1-15 | | | 25 | | 30 | Melina | 201 | | | | Total | | 91 | 1514 | | 31 | Matt Morgan | 197 | | | | | | | | | 32 | Hulk Hogan | 196 | | | | This Is Extreme | | | | | 33 | Undertaker | 189 | | | | Mike D | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | 34 | Hardcore Holly | 180 | | | | John Cena | X | 108 | 663 | 663 | 35 | Eric Bischoff | 164 | | | | Carlito Cool | X | 5 | 523 | 523 | | Ric Flair | 164 | | | | Booker T | X | 17 | 473 | 473 | | Super Crazy | 164 | | | | Big Show | X | 20 | 312 | 312 | 38 | Randy Orton | 162 | | | | Animal | X | 5 | 198 | 203 | 39 | Kerwin White | 161 | | | | Sylvan Granier | | | 118 | 118 | 40 | Psicosis | 159 | | | | Doug Basham | | | 94 | 94 | | Gene Snitsky | 159 | | | | Victoria | X | | 67 | 94 | 42 | Paul London | 156 | | | | | | | | | 43 | Lita | 154 | | | | Total | | 155 | 2448 | | 44 | Christy Hemme | 153 | | | | | | | | | 45 | Simon Dean | 140 | | | | This Reeks of Total | | | | | 46 | Eugene | 129 | | | | Awesomeness | | | | | 47 | Antonio | 126 | | | | Species | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | 48 | Tyson Tomko | 123 | | | | Edge | X | 47 | 514 | 514 | 49 | Juvented Guerrera | 119 | | | | Christian | X | 17 | 363 | 363 | 50 | Sylvan Granier | 118 | | | | Shawn Michaels | X | 55 | 353 | 353 | 51 | Romeo Roselli | 114 | | | | Gene Snitsky | X | 12 | 109 | 159 | 52 | Charlie Haas | 104 | | | | Eric Bischoff | X | 19 | 160 | 164 | 53 | Matt Hardy | 103 | | | | Matt Hardy | X | 44 | 96 | 103 | 54 | Sharmell | 99 | | | | Sabu | | | 0 | 0 | 55 | Tajiri | 95 | | | | Brock Lesnar | | | 0 | 0 | 56 | Doug Basham | 94 | | | | | | | | | | Victoria | 94 | | | | #Dan Basham 1-11 | | | 82 | | 58 | Scotty2Hotty | 93 | | | | | | 194 | 1677 | | 59 | Val Venis | 92 | | | | | | | | | 60 | Funaki | 79 | | | | You Only Live | | | | | 61 | William Regal | 72 | | | | Twice | | | | | 62 | Coach | 69 | | | | Bond, James Bond | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | | Theodore Long | 69 | | | | Kane | X | | 87 | 345 | | Torrie Wilson | 69 | | | | Hurricane | X | | 36 | 214 | 65 | Lilian Garcia | 68 | | | | Hardcore Holly | | 15 | 108 | 180 | | Candice Michelle | 68 | | | | Ric Flair | X | 5 | 164 | 164 | 67 | Maven | 66 | | | | Hulk Hogan | X | 62 | 72 | 196 | 68 | Renee Dupree | 65 | | | | Simon Dean | X | | 140 | 140 | 69 | Stacey Keibler | 55 | | | | Tajiri | | | 95 | 95 | | Todd Grisham | 55 | | | | William Regal | X | | 48 | 72 | 71 | Steven Richards | 54 | | | | | | | | | 72 | Jim Ross | 50 | | | | #Funaki 1-12 | | | 40 | | 73 | Jerry Lawler | 49 | | | | #Hassan 1-10 | | | 282 | | 74 | Maria | 44 | | | | Total | | 67 | 1072 | | | Michael Cole | 44 | | | | | | | | | 76 | Matt Striker | 40 | | | | The Collapsed | | | | | 77 | Tazz | 39 | | | | Lungs | | | | | 78 | Shannon Moore | 35 | | | | Kev | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | 79 | Mark Jindrake | 34 | | | | Kurt Angle | X | 77 | 619 | 619 | | Blue Meanie | 34 | | | | Chris Masters | X | 5 | 207 | 207 | 81 | Trish Stratus | 33 | | | | Undertaker | X | 27 | 189 | 189 | 82 | Jilian Hall | 31 | | | | Lita | X | 5 | 154 | 154 | 83 | Ken Kennedy | 30 | | | | Christy Hemme | X | 15 | 153 | 153 | | Nunzio | 30 | | | | Stacey Keibler | X | 10 | 28 | 55 | 85 | Josh Matthews | 29 | | | | Billy Kidman | | | 0 | 15 | 86 | Michelle McCool | 27 | | | | Luther Reigns | | | 0 | 0 | 87 | Cloacus | 25 | | | | | | | | | | Akio | 25 | | | | Total | | 139 | 1350 | | 89 | Vince McMahon | 23 | | | | | | | | | 90 | Ashley | 22 | | | | Team | | | | | 91 | Paul Heyman | 20 | | | | Stratusfaction | | | | | | Bob Orton | 20 | | | | Farn | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | 93 | Steve Romero | 18 | | | | Chris Jericho | X | 71 | 304 | 459 | 94 | Rob Eckos | 17 | | | | Eddie Guerrero | X | 44 | 383 | 383 | 95 | Billy Kidman | 15 | | | | Orlando Jordan | X | 41 | 347 | 362 | | Chad Patton | 15 | | | | Rosey | X | | 190 | 202 | | Spike Dudley | 15 | | | | Rob Conway | X | 30 | 207 | 207 | | Jimmy Jacobs | 15 | | | | Super Crazy | X | 30 | 154 | 164 | | Mikey Wiplash | 15 | | | | Antonio | | | 52 | 126 | | Sgt. Slaughter | 15 | | | | Trish Stratus | | | 33 | 33 | 101 | Steve Austin | 13 | | | | | | | | | 102 | Josh Daniels | 12 | | | | #Hulk Hogan 1-5 | | | 39 | | | Damian Adams | 12 | | | | Total | | 216 | 1709 | | | Julio Dinero | 12 | | | | | | | | | | Chris Hamrick | 12 | | | | Eight Freakin' | | | | | | Chuch Tealy | 12 | | | | Dwarves | | | | | | Pocket Rocket | 12 | | | | Tree | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | | Nick Berg | 12 | | | | Joey Mercury | X | 5 | 393 | 393 | | Leyla | 12 | | | | Kerwin White | X | 2 | 161 | 161 | | Summer | 12 | | | | Paul London | X | | 156 | 156 | | Kristal | 12 | | | | Juvented Guerrera | X | 10 | 119 | 119 | | Elizabeth | 12 | | | | Eugene | X | 27 | 94 | 129 | | Simona | 12 | | | | Spanky | | | 0 | 0 | | Cameron | 12 | | | | James Gibson | | | 0 | 0 | | Alexis | 12 | | | | Ken Kennedy | | 30 | 0 | 30 | | Ruffington Fierce | 12 | | | | | | | | | | Johnny Devine | 12 | | | | #Blue Meanie 11-14 | | | 24 | | 118 | Kamala | 10 | | | | #Daivari 1-14 | | | 225 | | | Melissa Coates | 10 | | | | #Bubba Dudley 1-11 | | | 17 | | | Tatanka | 10 | | | | Total | | 44 | 1189 | | | Godfather | 10 | | | | | | | | | | Roddy Piper | 10 | | | | Cripple This | | | | | 123 | Steve Lewington | 7 | | | | GoatLocker | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | | Miss Jackie | 7 | | | | Chris Benoit | X | 99 | 541 | 541 | | Joy Giovanni | 7 | | | | Heidenreich | X | 18 | 457 | 457 | 126 | Rob Van Dam | 5 | | | | Melina | X | 5 | 126 | 201 | | Kim Chee | 5 | | | | Tyson Tomko | X | | 123 | 123 | | Rob Schneider | 5 | | | | Renee Dupree | X | | 65 | 65 | | Sandman | 5 | | | | Big Vito | X | | 0 | 0 | | Balls Mahoney | 5 | | | | Brent Albright | | | 0 | 0 | | Axl Rotten | 5 | | | | Samoa Joe | | | 0 | 0 | | Lauren Jones | 5 | | | | | | | | | | Tommy Dreamer | 5 | | | | #Charlie Haas 1-13 | | | 104 | | | Rhyno | 5 | | | | #Spike Dudley 1-11 | | | 15 | | | James DeFalco | 5 | | | | Total | | 122 | 1431 | | | Andy Baker | 5 | | | | | | | | | 137 | Gene Okerlund | 2 | | | | Rise of the Phoenix | | | | | | Kid Kash | 0 | | | | Great One | Active | This Week | Total Tm Pts | Total Points | | Todd Shane | 0 | | | | Batista | X | 79 | 621 | 621 | | Trevor Rhodes | 0 | | | | Rey Mysterio | X | 67 | 431 | 431 | | Paul Birchall | 0 | | | | Muhammad Hassan | | | 36 | 318 | | Kenzo Suzuki | 0 | | | | Johnny Nitro | X | 10 | 333 | 333 | | Sabu | 0 | | | | Romeo Roselli | X | | 98 | 114 | | Brock Lesnar | 0 | | | | Garrison Cade | X | | 0 | 0 | | Luther Reigns | 0 | | | | Boogeyman | X | | 0 | 0 | | Spanky | 0 | | | | CM Punk | | | 0 | 0 | | James Gibson | 0 | | | | | | | | | | Big Vito | 0 | | | | #Ste Richards 14-15 | | | 24 | | | Brent Albright | 0 | | | | #D'Von Dudley 1-11 | | | 17 | | | Samoa Joe | 0 | | | | #Hurricane 1-10 | | | 178 | | | Garrison Cade | 0 | | | | #Kane 1-10 | | | 258 | | | Boogeyman | 0 | | | | Total | | 156 | 1996 | | | CM Punk | 0 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Free Agents | | This Week | | Total Points | | | | | | | Daivari | | | | 225 | | | | | | | Matt Morgan | | | | 197 | | | | | | | Charlie Haas | | | | 104 | | | | | | | Scotty2Hotty | | | | 93 | | | | | | | Sharmell | | 5 | | 99 | | | | | | | Val Venis | | | | 92 | | | | | | | Coach | | 7 | | 69 | | | | | | | Theodore Long | | 9 | | 69 | | | | | | | Torrie Wilson | | 10 | | 69 | | | | | | | Lilian Garcia | | 10 | | 68 | | | | | | | Steven Richards | | | | 54 | | | | | | | Candice Michelle | | 10 | | 68 | | | | | | | Funaki | | 15 | | 79 | | | | | | | Todd Grisham | | 7 | | 55 | | | | | | | Jim Ross | | 7 | | 50 | | | | | | | Jerry Lawler | | 7 | | 49 | | | | | | | Maria | | 7 | | 44 | | | | | | | Shannon Moore | | | | 35 | | | | | | | Michael Cole | | 7 | | 44 | | | | | | | Mark Jindrake | | | | 34 | | | | | | | Blue Meanie | | | | 34 | | | | | | | Nunzio | | | | 30 | | | | | | | Tazz | | 7 | | 39 | | | | | | | Michelle McCool | | | | 27 | | | | | | | Cloacus | | | | 25 | | | | | | | Akio | | | | 25 | | | | | | | Josh Matthews | | 4 | | 29 | | | | | | | Paul Heyman | | | | 20 | | | | | | | Vince McMahon | | 5 | | 23 | | | | | | | Rob Eckos | | | | 17 | | | | | | | Steve Romero | | | | 18 | | | | | | | Chad Patton | | | | 15 | | | | | | | Spike Dudley | | | | 15 | | | | | | | Jimmy Jacobs | | | | 15 | | | | | | | Mikey Wiplash | | | | 15 | | | | | | | Sgt. Slaughter | | | | 15 | | | | | | | Josh Daniels | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Damian Adams | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Julio Dinero | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Chris Hamrick | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Chuch Tealy | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Pocket Rocket | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Nick Berg | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Ashley | | 10 | | 22 | | | | | | | Leyla | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Summer | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Kristal | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Elizabeth | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Simona | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Cameron | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Alexis | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Ruffington Fierce | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Johnny Devine | | | | 12 | | | | | | | Kamala | | | | 10 | | | | | | | Melissa Coates | | | | 10 | | | | | | | Tatanka | | | | 10 | | | | | | | Godfather | | | | 10 | | | | | | | Roddy Piper | | | | 10 | | | | | | | Bob Orton | | 20 | | 20 | | | | | | | Steve Lewington | | | | 7 | | | | | | | Miss Jackie | | | | 7 | | | | | | | Joy Giovanni | | | | 7 | | | | | | | Kim Chee | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Rob Schneider | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Sandman | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Balls Mahoney | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Axl Rotten | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Lauren Jones | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Tommy Dreamer | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Rhyno | | | | 5 | | | | | | | James DeFalco | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Andy Baker | | | | 5 | | | | | | | Gene Okerlund | | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | |
| 1 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 25337239 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 07:55
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Sorry, Tree, you didn't start Kennedy.
We've got to get around to dishing out turn points. HBK definitely gets them for turning heel to feud with Hogan. I don't think Y2J ever got them. Eddie Guerrero too. HBK might get them for turning back. If so, think its safe to say his heel turn for the Hogan feud was in fact a full turn and not just a swerve. Anyone else?
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| 2 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 25337239 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 08:00
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BTW, 2 more PPVs left. We will enter Week 19 this week and season ends at the completion of Week 25. I believe the beginning of Week 21 will be our trade deadline.
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| 3 | Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 08:12
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Up early today, eh MITH? THANKS!
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| 4 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 187172522 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 08:43
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Once again, thanks for the fine job MITH.
IMO, HBK's turn was full and complete. Not sure about his next confrontation with Masters. I smell a rat here.
Y2J should have definitely received turn points if he hadn't already. In fact, there ought to be bonus points for being fired!!! ;)
As always, I am open for any trade talks. Apparently my team really, really sucks so admittedly there may be limited interest. But there may be a spare part or two there that may spark someone's interest. My sole goal is to make my team better. I have no hidden agenda. As such, you can be assured, I have no untouchables. Let the trading begin!!!!
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| 5 | Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 08:50
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Bond, considering the team you took over, you've certainly done a fine job.
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| 6 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 187172522 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 09:02
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LOL!!! Can't do much worse than 9th place. Not exactly an improvement.
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| 7 | Mike D Sustainer
ID: 41831612 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 09:02
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In a keeper league you can't turn it around overnight. If this was a REDRAFT league like some of suggested it should be (lol) you could have.....
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| 8 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 060151121 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 10:36
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Mike D and his love for drafts...LOL He'll never give up.
Great job as always MITH If my dang wrestlers would just wrestle I'd be in better shape.
Or, if some of the pickups would get called up.
Cliff
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| 9 | wiggs Donor
ID: 04991311 Sat, Aug 27, 2005, 11:37
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I think Viscera should get turn points as well. He was always a thug and then with the lillian thing he bacame a fan favorite.
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| 10 | Tree Sustainer
ID: 599393013 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 13:12
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i dont think HBK was a turn. his reasons for kicking Hogan were simply "i want a match with him", and now that he's feuding with Masters and Triple C, seems to me he never was a heel.
Flair on the other hand - is he a face now?
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| 11 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 2824911 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 13:24
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I disagree. HBK was exhibiting heel behavior. Explicitly mocking Hogan whenever possible even though he was not provoked. He was definitely playing a heel character to Hogan's babyface. I think the "I had to know for real" excuse was just a way to him to easily transition back into a face role.
Now, some might say that he is still dissing Hogan. I think that's true but there are two issues with that as a counter. First, I don't think he has quite earned turn points yet for going back to a babyface, so there's a little room for him to ride the fence while he transitions. Second, jabs at Hogan are now usually much more implicit than they were during the feud. And when they do come, I think they are more Shawn Michaels speaking for himself and not the HBK character he is playing for WWE.
The argument for his not being a heel that I thought some might find valid is that since the feud was pretty short (about 5 weeks?), I was thinking some might think it was more of a swerve.
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| 12 | Great One
ID: 25772813 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:19
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I cannot decide one way or the other on this one... too many shades of grey..
One thing I CAN decide on is that the Edge/Hardy match is what it should have been at Summerslam in the first place. They could have had it end like that in a no contest - then did the thing where they keep them seperated for 3 weeks til the next PPV and make that a Street Fight or I Quit or whatever... seems like they kind of did it too late - and then too early in a way.
That is unless they come out next week and say they are meeting in a dog-collar match or something crazy for the PPV.
And I gotta say.. if nothing else - Y2J has at least left me the phrase "Sideshow Bob" in my head everytime I see Carliiiiiiitoooooo....
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| 13 | Mike D Sustainer
ID: 041831612 Tue, Aug 30, 2005, 18:57
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It's funny. In all the threads/posts about "turn" points, I don't recall ever talking about the length of time involved like this. It's a relevant question. In my mind, HBK was the heel in their brief feud. Everyone acts that way against Hogan-----remember Rock at Wrestlemania when the fans were against him? Clearly no turn points applied for one match. But how about for a period of say 1 month? Good question.
I don't really recall HBK interacting with anyone else much during that period other than Hogan. That makes it even more unusual, and more difficult.
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| 14 | Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 14:00
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HBK was a hell. Period. In the grand scheme it doesn't make a difference in my standings, so I'm not arguing necessarily on behalf of getting the points....
....but our only definition is that the turn must be "clear". I don't know how much more clear you can be when Michaels is mocking, attacking, promoting, and playing to the crowd for heat in the heel role in the Main Event of the 2nd biggest PPV of the year.
Michaels ceased playing to the crowd as a face for a span of 5 weeks. After his loss to Hogan he turned back, 'apologized'/explained himself, and began playing to the crowd as a face again. Two turns, IMO.
We've never given it a period of time requirement, just that the turn has to be 'clear'. I think it was a clear turn, albeit a fairly short one.
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| 15 | Species Leader
ID: 07724916 Wed, Aug 31, 2005, 14:18
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From GO, via email.........
I think Species is correct - 2 heel turns. If we just put each turn in a vacuumn (hell, the sweet chin music on Hogan was worth 25 points right there lol)... and ignored time between (and frankly we should), its pretty clear they are both solid, decisive turns. GO
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