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| Posted by: mIST
- [21113162] Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 04:30
Let's make it quick and start before the Royal Rumble. Everyone can be drafted, not only current WWE employees.You can draft commentators, managers... everyone!
You must choose 3 Raw superstar, 3 Smackdown superstar and ONE extra superstar (Vince McMahon, Steve Autin, Goldberg, Mick Foley, Hulk Hogan, Barry Horowitz...).
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| | | 1 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 14:22
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Is there a page at WWE where we can see a list of current stars on each show? That might be helpful when the higher rounds come around.
As for who chooses first I would say just use a randomizer to assign the pick #'s.
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| | | 2 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 15:44
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Ok with the randomizer thing: the lists of all the superstars can be found on smackdown.wwe.com and raw.wwe.com.
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| | | 3 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 16:04
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we never really did decide what to do with injuries and waivers and such.
i also think we should be able to draft a "bench" of three guys, who we only earn points for once they're activated and someone else is benched - deadline being sundays at noon.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 4 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 16:13
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What about
3 RAW + 1 benched
3 SD + 1 benched
1 FREE AGENT
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Anyway, an injured wrestler can always do interviews, run-ins etc.
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| | | 5 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 16:25
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i think your bench oughta consist of three guys - whether you want them to be raw guys, smackdown guys, or free agent guys is your choice.
maybe three raw, three smackdown, and three bench guys?
and obviously, if a guy switches from raw to smackdown (and vice-versa) you'll have to adjust your roster accordingly, whether it be through your bench or the waiver wire...
still tossing ideas out there,
Tree
piece
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| | | 6 | wiggs@apartment
Donor
ID: 11032171
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 16:42
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one thing to remember is we have alot of people signed up to play this. Well we have enough wrestlers for each player to have 10?
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| | | 7 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 16:43
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You got the point, wiggs, that's why I think it's better to have a maximum of 6-7 stars each.
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| | | 8 | wiggs@apartment
Donor
ID: 11032171
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 16:45
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do we have a total number of people that want to play?
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| | | 9 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 16:55
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Barry Horowitz? ROFL One of my fave scrub heels.
You know, it's kinda funny. Having only watched Raw and Smackdown for quite some time now, I never really saw any "Barry Horowitzes"....then one day I stumbled onto Velocity on a Sunday, and voila'! Scrubs for the midcarders to destroy!
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| | | 10 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 16:58
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this is true - which i why i was thinking the bench would be a good place for strategic placement. there are a lot of guys out there like The Rock and Stone Cold and Goldberg who are not currently active, but could be huge soon.
additionally, less than a year ago, guys like Brock Lesner, Batista, John Cena, Shelton Benjamin, and a few others were here:
Ohio Valley Wrestling
i remember watching Wrestlemania with some friends last year at The World, and while checking out the program, i saw a photo of Lesner. i told my pals that within a year he would be a HUGE WWF star. i was off by about 9 months. :o)
there are a slew of OVW guys on that roster who will be WWF stars in a short while. i think we oughta be able to load our bench up with next year's Lesners. :o)
peace,
Tree
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| | | 11 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 17:17
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Ok, that would work if only people from OVW or other can be selected for the bench.
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| | | 12 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 17:18
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I like the idea of waivers. That way you don't have to keep tabs on OVW. And screw the 3 from Raw, 3 from Smackdown crap. That's what it is... crap.
10 participants (approx), let's go with 5 rounds. That's 50 wrestlers which is more than sufficient. Even Hardcore Holly will probably be drafted.
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| | | 13 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 17:38
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lol, this is almost as fun as watching wrestling itself. how about 7 guys instead of 5, and they can be Bugs Bunny or Moe Howard for all anyone cares? :O)
Tree
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| | | 14 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 17:46
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Hey, what about deciding a maximum number of players and THEN deciding what to do? :)
Do we want to start with 10? I think it's ok.
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| | | 15 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 17:47
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I don't understand the difference in a Raw wrestler and a Smackdown wrestler. I know the bigger names are usually on Raw, but are people not on both?
P.S.-I don't watch like I used to.
THK
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| | | 16 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 17:55
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THK - actually, it's a long, confusing, and stupid story, but to make it short - they did a "roster split" and some wrestlers are RAW only, and the others are Smackdown only.
it made a watered-down product even worse. don't get me started.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 17 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 17:59
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I kinda agree with the brand extension stuff. It gives more space to underused talent and allows WWE to make longer worldwide tours.
In this moment, Smackdown is the #1 show, without the shadow of a doubt.
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| | | 18 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 18:08
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When I watched Raw was by far the main event. Smackdown was the 2nd tier show that wasn't even necessary to watch for even the AVID wrestling fan. That is kinda odd to me.
THK
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| | | 19 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 18:12
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Looking at the list I can see why Smackdown is the better show. I can't believe that. The splitting of the stars is simply stupid. I don't really understand why they did it, but on first opinion...I don't agree.
THK
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| | | 20 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Jan 02, 2003, 18:14
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Steiner isn't on either list, although I know he is on Raw.
I can't believe The Game and The Rock were split. I am pissed! LOL...Same with Kane and the Undertaker. UGH
THK
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| | | 21 | mIST
ID: 21113162
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 02:57
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I know that's kinda odd but I tell you, with the amount of talent they have it's the right thing. The problem is that they're not able to use it...
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| | | 22 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:35
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mIST, we can always use the good old pick out of the hat routine. As long as the draft will snake it really shouldnt matter who picks where. If everyone will agree to it I will volunteer to come up with a draft order randomly of course.
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| | | 23 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:41
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what are the rules for trading with another manager? League approval?
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| | | 24 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:47
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I have a order with the 11 managers we have now, but i want to know if people want it done this way before i announce it.
As far as trading i think if you want to trade a pick it should be fine to just do it, if you are trading actually wrestlers then you should need 4 vetos to not allow a trade. I think it will be to hard to get enough approvals because sometimes people dont check every day.
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| | | 25 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:49
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well, you can't really post the order until we have a 12th.
I am using my first pick on Brother Love.
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| | | 26 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:50
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well we dont really need 12, it just said a max of 12. In a points league you can have odd numbers.
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| | | 27 | mIST
ID: 21113162
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:53
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What about becoming more professional and creating a "triumvirate" to take care of the trades and the controversial questions (EG: did *someone* turn face or not? - I couldn't do this because I just watch the shows one week after you.)?
Since I'M THE KING OF THE WORLD, I decide that these three guys would be Tree, Wiggs and Blue Hen.
I'll take care of the rules and I'll update the wrestlers lists.
If you agree with this, just tell me.
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| | | 28 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:55
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mIST does this triumvirate still get to participate in the league and everything. If so I would be willing to do this.
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| | | 29 | mIST
ID: 21113162
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:57
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I'd prefer 12 because it would allow someone else to play, since there were many on this boards who were interested.
Let's wait till next Monday, at about 5 PM e.t. (the time when I'll be able to connect again, I'm leaving for the weekend) and see if anyone else subscribes.
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| | | 30 | mIST
ID: 21113162
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 11:57
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Of course it does.
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| | | 31 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:00
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ok we can wait til next week, I thought your post in the other board when you said we could start now meant you wanted to get rolling.
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| | | 32 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 149272511
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:00
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Numbers don't matter to me.
Will try to continue to check from work today.
Just let me know when we are ready to draft.
Cliff
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| | | 33 | mIST
ID: 21113162
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:05
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I leave tomorrow, so if we started today I could be in time to finish it.
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| | | 34 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:07
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if we just pick a 12th we could get rolling today and have stats start with Raw monday.
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| | | 35 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:14
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I would rather start today, but if mIST wont be around all weekend there is no way we will finish by tonight so I dont think we will get raw stats this week anyways. What ever people want to do is cool with me. I am stuck at home with 10 inches of snow and 14 more on the way. I wont be going anywhere today.
Farn
how is rocky treating you?
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| | | 36 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:18
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none of the rentals stores even had Rocky. I was ready to play it too. Had the soundtrack all cued up.
Theoretically we could get a good chunk of the drafting done. Its not impossible to say we could have the draft set by Monday.
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| | | 37 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:21
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well if we get word on the 12th guys and people agree to the me selecting the draft order i will do it now and see what happens. It is just a decision i am not going to make alone.
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| | | 38 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:24
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what about the guy that just signed up? he is around which helps.
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| | | 39 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:25
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its fine by me.
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| | | 40 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:26
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MIST?
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| | | 41 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:27
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i'm game for whatever at this point! i just wanna play! :o)
9 wrestlers, 3 of which are "bench" guys...
i'm cool to be part of the holy trinity, but i'm telling you now that at wrestlemania, Rock will be a Heel. and hopefully Triple H will be retired. now that that's settled! ;o)
peace,
Tree
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| | | 42 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 331038201
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:34
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Yes, let's go Monday. But I want it to go quick. Perhaps we should have a draft during Monday's Raw (East Coast).
I'll agree to be a special consultant on scoring decisions. But the second anyone refers to me as a commisioner, I'm out. I want no part in setting up the league. I did that last time. I just want to play.
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| | | 43 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:39
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drafting during raw is a good idea, but even starting a slow draft here wouldn't hurt. might speed up the process.
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| | | 44 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:43
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Like I said, I am stuck here all day so I am up for starting now or waiting. If we do start now we could get a decent start. If we do start now we will have to have patients though. What do we want to do?
I think we have a decent number of guys hanging around right now.
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| | | 45 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:45
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i go with whatever MIST says; if he has a 12th to plug in I figure we can slow draft now and finish during raw.
Obviously you can't set a clock on anybody today.
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| | | 46 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 149272511
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 12:54
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If you look at the two websites, there are 78 wrestlers listed.
Some of whom we know are retired, semi-retired, not wrestling.
If we are going with 12 teams, I think 6 wrestlers per might be a good number.
If we go with 9 per, we need 108 wrestlers - Where are the other 30 plus going to come from?
Just some thoughts.
Would prefer a slow draft here, but will make things work however we decide.
Cliff
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| | | 47 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:04
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I'm checking regularly, though I plan on going out and tying one on tonight. Tomorrow I'll be at a buddy's place for The Jets game and will have limited access there and Sunday is my Grandmother's 90th birthday party, where I will have no access. Tree said that his birthday is this weekend as well. I don't know about finishing this by Raw.
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| | | 48 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:07
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Well I guess if we want to have any chance to get this thing done we have to get started asap. If we wait til monday i will guarantee we dont finish because i am sure someone wont be able to be here.
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| | | 49 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:17
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I vote we start here and NOW. I can be on more or less all day from 8-5 Pacific time. Then I'm not on until 830-ish pacific time. Start a "slow live" draft NOW and if it speeds up, then all the better.
Great One wanted to play. He makes a good point being a "donor" as well as having participated relatively actively.
Gimme Stacy!
(and NO, that is NOT an official first-round pick!)
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| | | 50 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:19
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Well as of now we don't even have a full league, much less a draft order and there are still people posting in the other thread in the basketball forum. I'll leave a list of my picks with someone,but I lack the time and experience to set up and run a draft. Someone should take charge, establish an order, confirm the participants - especially any that we haven't heard from in a while and start it.
I nominate wiggs.
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| | | 51 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:20
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OK, I nominate wiggs and species.
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| | | 52 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:24
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I already picked my team. You guys can go now. ;)
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| | | 53 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:32
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I would be willing to start this thing and Great one can be the 12 man. That is fine by me. I will also be around if people want to leave picks with me. my email is wiggs1766@hotmail.com
I will post a draft order and a new thread shortly
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| | | 54 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:36
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While doing alittle research i noticed that the smackdown page lists only 31 superstars including member like the rock and hogan. Unless there is another page of wrestlers that i missed we cant do 3 smackdown 3 raw because there simply isnt enough to choose from. Can anyone help me out here?
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| | | 55 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:42
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this chap also expressed interest:
Ace forever ID: 181120113 Dave
he had an email addy in the other thread....i say we have a SLOW draft, and just get on with it. i hate to sound like a bee-yatch, but with a girlfriend and a dog, i can't sit by my comp all day during the weekend...but we should just do what happens...
as for where the other wrestlers are gonna come from, i think checking out ovwrestling.com is a good place.
the WWE minor league
additionally, guys like Stone Cold, Steiner, Haas, Benjamin, etc etc aren't listed as smackdown or raw...the wwe is notorius for being clueless on its own website...
for example:
so if it's Cena vs. Jericho, why are they talking about Flair, HBK, and HHH??
peace,
Tree
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| | | 56 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:42
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I think the suggestion of 6 stars and one free agent is easiest. Stars include anyone listed on either roster (at their respective sites) and Steiner, since he apparently isn't listed yet. As far as I know, he's the only one who is a wrestler, has appeared on Raw and/or Smackdown and isn't listed. Guys like Goldberg and Austin should qualify as free agents.
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| | | 57 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:47
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I posted a new thread with an order so we can start and see what happens. Good luck everyone.
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| | | 58 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:47
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Wiggs, no need to split between rosters, as discussed in the Hoops Forum, IMHO. No point at all to splitting our teams. Just draft away.
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| | | 59 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:50
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i agree with Mike. Just take whoever you think will score you the most point ignoring whatever brand they are on.
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| | | 60 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:52
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how about 5 stars and 3 bench guys. personally, i'm trying avoid waiver wire fights when guys like austin and goldberg do show up...
peace,
Tree
i see there's a draft one already, and we don't even know how many guys we're taking..LOL
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| | | 61 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:52
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Fine by me
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| | | 62 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 149272511
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:55
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Give me a sec and I will make the first pick.
I think I agree with the 5 stars and 3 bench guys.
Cliff
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| | | 63 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:56
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5 and 3, 6 and 3, 6 and 2, all fine with me.
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| | | 64 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:56
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5 and 3 is my vote
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| | | 65 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 13:57
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does anyone know if MR Nice guy is around?
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| | | 66 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:03
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while debating the 2 different brands I thought...
How bout we seperate into 2 seperate divisons/brands? Then have a h2h each month at the PPV? Or some form of that?
Just a random thought as the snow pours down.
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| | | 67 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:03
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this is not an internet pick up joint. :O)
Tree
drunk with food
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| | | 68 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:04
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No thanks Farn. Too complicated for me......plus the draft already started!
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| | | 69 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:04
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....unless we started a 2nd league.......
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| | | 70 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:06
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it's already too complicated. i have no clue what the rules are. at this point, i think we get points just for drafting the correct amount of guys...
peace,
Tree
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| | | 71 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 149272511
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:09
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Which means I get bonus points for drafting first ;)
Cliff
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| | | 72 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:10
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How about a time limit for the draft. 2 hours? Anyone who isn't around for his pick and didn't leave a queue could be given the highest priced star remaining according to the list in post 97 of this thread. If two wrestlers at the same price are highest default to alphabetical order. Otherwise I doubt we finish two rounds today.
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| | | 73 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:16
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come on yankee fan, just lay low. what's the hurry? the Yankees have a whole 7 weeks until their non-world-series-winning pitchers and catchers have to report. :o)
peace,
Tree
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| | | 74 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:17
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Plus the draft was kind of sudden (IMHO)
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| | | 75 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 11032171
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:21
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yeah, i dont think we can enforce a time limit til atleast the 2nd round, when everyone knows that this is going on.
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| | | 76 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:24
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Fair enough.
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| | | 77 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:36
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Well, while we're waiting, anone have any idea about what in the hell that was shoved into Al Wilson's briefs at the wedding? Looked like an umbrella or something.
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| | | 78 | Farn
Donor
ID: 4710402716
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:45
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We could simply just divide into 2 divisions of 6 and see which divison is strongest.
Also, how long will the "season" run? The only offseason in wrestling is the last week of december when most wrestlers are given a week off to be with family. That is a year from now. Is there a point where the "season" will end and a new one will start (ie. resetting of stats)?
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| | | 79 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:45
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I didn't see Al. Was he there? I saw a woman in panties though. ;)
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| | | 80 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:46
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MITH - if you were standing next to dawn marie in bra and panties, you'd probably look like you had an umbrella stuffed in your pants too. heck, even PGunn might look that way!
peace,
Tree
i've stood next to dawn marie when she was clothed, before she had that awful boob job. that was hot enough...
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| | | 81 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:50
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I met Francine once Tree.....nice.
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| | | 82 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:51
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Sorry guys but in Italy't was dinner time, here I am now.
I saw I'm number seven, it's quite good to me...and I prefer 6-3.
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| | | 83 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:55
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i actually emailed her after her boob job, and told her she shouldn't have gotten it. she thanked me for my opinion, told me she liked her natural breasts better, but this was something she needed to do for her career!
Tree
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| | | 84 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 111103121
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 14:59
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I believe that Tree. Very down to earth.
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| | | 85 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 15:00
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On the WWE site there aren't updated lists of the Raw and SD rosters.
For example, no trace of Nunzio (Little Guido on ECW), Scott Steiner, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, B2...
Just two notes about the rules:
- A vignette is EVERYTHING that takes place behind the scenes. HBK jumping on HHH and superkicking Flair (Raw before Armageddon) gives all the three of them two points. Even Al "Charisma" Wilson takes point for that stupid wedding.
- The "run-in" category includes interferences from people ALREADY out of the ring.
- A bikini, rap or whatsoever contest counts as a vignette. If for example Tazz announces it, he gets points too.
More as they come to my mind :)
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| | | 86 | mIST
ID: 3701817
Fri, Jan 03, 2003, 15:03
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Oops, I meant: the bikini and rap contests count as IN RING PROMOS.
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