| Posted by: Farn
- Leader [451044109] Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 01:23
| Points | | | | | Alicia Fox | 0 | | | | | Batista | 0 | | | | | Beth Phoenix | 12 | 12 | | | | Big Show | 40 | 30 | 10 | | | Brian Kendrick | 0 | | | | | Brie Bella | 25 | 25 | | | | Candice | 0 | | | | | Carlito | 8 | 5 | 3 | | | Charlie Haas | 0 | | | | | Chavo Guerrero | 0 | | | | | Chris Jericho | 12 | 12 | | | | Christian | 0 | | | | | CM Punk | 5 | 5 | | | | Cody Rhodes | 32 | 30 | 2 | | | Curt Hawkins | 0 | | | | | D.H. Smith | 0 | | | | | DJ Gabriel | 0 | | | | | Dolph Ziggler | 12 | 12 | | | | Dusty Rhodes | 0 | | | | | Edge | 12 | 12 | | | | Evan Bourne | 0 | | | | | Eve Torres | 5 | 5 | | | | Ezekiel | 0 | | | | | Festus Dalton | 2 | 2 | | | | Fit Finlay | 0 | | | | | Funaki | 0 | | | | | Gail Kim | 0 | | | | | Goldust | 2 | 2 | | | | Great Khali | 25 | 25 | | | | Gregory Helms | 0 | | | | | Hacksaw Duggan | 0 | | | | | Hornswaggle | 2 | 2 | | | | Jack Swagger | 0 | | | | | Jamie Noble | 0 | | | | | Jeff Hardy | 25 | 25 | | | | Jerry Lawler | 2 | 2 | | | | Jesse Dalton | 0 | | | | | Jillian Hall | 0 | | | | | Jim Ross | 2 | 2 | | | | Jimmy Wang Yang | 0 | | | | | John Cena | 30 | 5 | 15 | 10 | | John Morrison | 0 | | | | | Josh Matthews | 0 | | | | | JTG | 0 | | | | | Kane | 0 | | | | | Katie Burchill | 0 | | | | | Kelly Kelly | 0 | | | | | Ken Kennedy | 0 | | | | | Kofi Kingston | 0 | | | | | Layla | 0 | | | | | Maria | 5 | 5 | | | | Mark Henry | 0 | | | | | Maryse | 14 | 2 | 12 | | | Matt Hardy | 0 | | | | | Matt Striker | 0 | | | | | Melina | 0 | | | | | Michael Cole | 2 | 2 | | | | Michelle McCool | 0 | | | | | Mickie James | 25 | 25 | | | | Mike Knox | 0 | | | | | Mike Mizanin | 12 | 5 | 2 | 5 | | MVP | 0 | | | | | Nattie Neidhart | 0 | | | | | Nicole Bella | 25 | 25 | | | | Paul Burchill | 0 | | | | | Primo Colon | 20 | 5 | 15 | | | Randy Orton | 26 | 10 | 12 | 2 | 2 | Ranjin Singh | 0 | | | | | Rey Mysterio | 25 | 25 | | | | Ric Flair | 0 | | | | | Ricky Ortiz | 0 | | | | | Roddy Piper | 0 | | | | | Ron Killings | 0 | | | | | Ron Simmons | 0 | | | | | Rosa Mendes | 12 | 12 | | | | Santino Marella | 2 | 2 | | | | Shad Gaspard | 0 | | | | | Shane McMahon | 0 | | | | | Shawn Michaels | 0 | | | | | Shelton Benjamin | 0 | | | | | Sim Snuka | 0 | | | | | Stephanie McMahon | 0 | | | | | Tazz | 0 | | | | | Ted Dibiase Jr. | 5 | 3 | 2 | | | Theodore Long | 0 | | | | | Tiffany | 0 | | | | | Todd Grisham | 2 | 2 | | | | Tommy Dreamer | 0 | | | | | Tony Atlas | 0 | | | | | Triple H | 19 | 10 | 7 | 2 | | Tyson Kidd | 0 | | | | | Umaga | 0 | | | | | Undertaker | 0 | | | | | Vickie Guerrero | 0 | | | | | Vince McMahon | 11 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 2 | Vladimir Kozlov | 0 | | | | | William Regal | 0 | | | | | Zack Ryder | 0 | | | | | Total | 458 | | | | | | | | | | | |
| 1 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 01:24
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Donald Trump +3+5+2+5- We have no precedent on how to score a draw. I scored it as a no contest because there was no winner. We should probably address that for future matches.
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| 2 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 01:24
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| Season | Week | PPV | Raw | Mike D | 1239 | 69 | 0 | 69 | Rude | 1949 | 64 | 0 | 64 | Species | 722 | 62 | 0 | 62 | Great One | 2864 | 57 | 0 | 57 | Bobo | 1156 | 44 | 0 | 44 | Farn | 1883 | 42 | 0 | 42 | Tree | 1205 | 40 | 0 | 40 | Wiggs | 2332 | 37 | 0 | 37 | Goatlocker | 768 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Zyre | 798 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | | | | |
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| 3 | Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 01:37
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lol.......only on a commercial free RAW can I get 62 points due to a Bella twins tag win and Dolph Ziggler match! hahahahahaha
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| 4 | Great One
ID: 17459269 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 09:45
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How do we see it? a win, a loss, somewhere in the middle? I'd say at least a singles loss of 15 points. But its certainly not a singles win of the 30 points. How about 20 points?
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| 5 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 09:49
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I considered that GO but the argument is that neither won or lost. So to score it as either doesn't seem right.
Unless the crowd says to score it in a particular way we are probably stuck with 10 points and a needed rule change.
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| 6 | Great One
ID: 17459269 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 10:47
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Oh yeah, definitely 10 points right now. I'm just trying to brainstorm a number for the future. I think the 20 was a solid number for draw points. I was kind of trying to find halfway between win/loss points but we don't want 22.5 and 25 is too much cause thats as much as a tag win, so I figure just pull it down to an even 20 and thats pretty good. Usually when a draw happens its a scenario like last night (or an Ironman or something like that) so they definitely deserve more than the no contest - cause there was "a contest".
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| 7 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 11:07
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We probably need to make sure we use clean wording in the rule so it can't be confused with a no contest.
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| 8 | Great One
ID: 17459269 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 12:11
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Species writes good language in G20, he's in charge!
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| 9 | Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 14:10
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What 'caused' the draw? What scenarios could happen to constitute a draw??
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| 10 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 15:42
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well in this case it was a last man standing match and neither go to his feet.
I'm not sure what else might cause a draw besides a double count out. But even double count outs are losses.
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| 11 | Great One
ID: 17459269 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 16:25
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In ROH, time limit draws are not uncommon. CM Punk vs. Samoa Joe went to a 60 minute time limit draw on a couple occasions I believe. So certainly something about time limits with no winner.
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| 12 | Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 18:48
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I'll take a whack at it:
Match results: Draw +20
Draw points are awarded only when the match is announced as a Draw due to some set of limitations upon the match not being met, and thus nobody wins or loses. This is different from a no contest, double DQ or double count out. Examples of situations where draw points would be awarded as opposed to no contest would be:
- Last Man Standing match: all participants are "not standing" at the count of ten - Time limit match: nobody has won when the time limit expires -- this would include a match where someone who scores the most pinfalls or submissions ends in a tie - Other match where the necessary stipulations of winning the match are not met by any of the participants, yet the match is completed in full
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| 13 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 19:19
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that looks good to me
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| 14 | Great One
ID: 17459269 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 08:55
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Looks good to me too. Species is very fancy!
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| 15 | Mike D Leader
ID: 041831612 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 11:08
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Always watch out for the fancy ones.
I think the small print gives certain rights to Species in future years.
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| 16 | Great One
ID: 17459269 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 11:26
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He gets to sleep with our wives? In NJ its called the Sinatra Amendment. Springsteen is currently the only one eligible to exercise it under state law.
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| 17 | Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 12:28
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Mike D's wife wouldn't qualify to my standards -- too old.
GO's might. Is she flexible? A size 6 or under? I like 'em skinny. I've had a thing for former gymnasts recently......and the funny thing is, that's no joke!
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| 18 | Greg Rude
ID: 405122015 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 13:05
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the 20 pts seems fair ... it's not a loss, so it should be a little more valuable than one. Using the same 30/15 win-loss points scale in our TNA league the Draws/No Contests are worth 17 pts.
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| 19 | Great One
ID: 17459269 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 14:03
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Species, I think you should talk to Tree - he's like a size 5 and probably has done some flipping around the ROH rings before the show.
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| 20 | Mike D Leader
ID: 041831612 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 15:19
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Seems like a perfect match.
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| 21 | Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 18:50
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LOL
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