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Subject: League Restructring Ideas and Discussion

Posted by: Farn - Leader [451044109] Mon, May 09, 2011, 11:59

This probably deserves its own thread and hopefully the title will draw in managers who are normally dormant for months on end.

To see where the discussion started, check the Season 17 Discussion thread from posts #40-50.

I'd like to throw out my suggestions on system changes. Not married to any of the ideas, just things off the top of my head that may or may not work.

1. Managers can't trade #1 picks in consecutive years.
2. Managers can't trade #1 and #2 to same manager for any one season.
3. Ping pong ball lottery (NBA lottery style)
4. Managers can't have a top 3 pick in consecutive seasons
5. A salary cap league where salaries are based on the previous season's point total. Each season is a full redraft with a cap style bidding system and no use of draft picks?

I realize #5 is radical but it could eliminate draft pick madness.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, May 09, 2011, 12:02

I made up #5 as I was typing and after hitting submit I see some possible flaws. A guy like HHH would cost nothing. And if its salary style there would be no set prices. Everyone would just bid like an auction. Unless we wanted to do set prices and draft based on those prices. That would mix things up too.

Just making stuff up off the top of my head in an effort to eliminate draft pick madness and make the league a little more active. Something besides me posting scoring and standings 3x a week in this forum would be great. Otherwise I'm forced to read Boldwin's posts and that's sure to drive me mad.

wiggs
ID: 356532011
Mon, May 09, 2011, 12:19

Any thoughts about more keepers like we had before? I think that would eliminate the draft pick trades as well.

OR possibly not having to dump your top scorer. I dont have to dump my top scorer in mlb, nfl or nba.

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, May 09, 2011, 13:01

a couple other things i've thought of that might chance the scoring, but i haven't weighed pros and cons too much.

1. a larger roster. more depth, more guys scoring points, could help bridge the gap between teams.

2. losing points for championship losses - a radical idea, but champs get so many points for winning, defending, etc, that maybe they oughta LOSE points too.

3. ONE KEEPER. it'll allow for more roster re-shuffling.

4. Prospect draft - a place to draft non-WWE guys - maybe TNA guys, maybe FCW guys - but three guys you can draft, and keep indefinitely, and may one day be a big part of your roster.

again, just tossing out ideas as they come to me.

wiggs
ID: 356532011
Mon, May 09, 2011, 13:03

my thoughts on more keepers would be it will devalue trading 1st round picks. For example-

I know I cant win this season- I trade Cena for next years 1st rounder. Well If I can keep cena next year it would require quite a trade to get me to move him.

Tree I like the idea of losing some points for losing the title that would eliminate the losing the title and winning it back the same night bs.

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:22

I think the idea of a prospect is a great idea. And similar to many baseball leagues, a prospect could remain "prospect" eligible up to a certain threshold like 100 points. I could see maybe 2 of them.

I know I sat on Alberto Del Rio last summer, and then he came up in the fall and I had to give him right away. That was frustrating.

Without losing top scorer, i fear this league would get stagnant. Like a guy would just have Orton forever and nobody would ever have a shot at getting him and that would be tough.

wiggs
ID: 356532011
Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:28

GO- I understand that, but does your baseball league get stagnant when you can never get pujols?

You just have to take a shot at finding the next star.

One year I picked goldberg and batista, neither did anything that year, the following year both exploded and I won 3 titles in a row.

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, May 09, 2011, 14:35

Well keeping 2-3 guys, but NOT giving up your top scorer would probably cut down on these blockbuster 2 picks for Cena type deals Farn doesn't like. Cause you would instead sit on Cena and maybe sell your fringe guys, but wouldn't want to part with that long term asset.

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, May 09, 2011, 15:07

another radical idea could be some sort of a scoring cap, similar to an IP cap.

i realize it's not quite the same, but just using last season as an example, if the cap were 1000 points, the difference between our number one scorer and our number 20 scorer would be 235 points and not 763 points, or, roughly, DOUBLE.

to make it more interesting, if you're at 999 and you score 75 points that week, you get all 75 points - again, similar to other fantasy sports. so there might be strategy involved in benching your number one scorer in the weeks leading up to a PPV.

i realize this is a fairly radical idea, but it's definitely something to consider that might bridge the scoring gap.

Bobo
ID: 151142511
Mon, May 09, 2011, 15:57

I appreciate all of the discussion going on here.

It is a good idea to take a look at a system and make the proper refining when necessary.

Tree recruited me here years ago because he knows I am a fantasy nut...and this league still gives me the biggest challenge.

I am in favor of all 5 suggestions thrown out by Farn...I think that those would really help to create a competitive balance in the league, moreso than now.

To Tree's point on the "prospect draft" I am very high on it.

Ultimately, I really think that getting committed managers is one of the biggest challenges...but that is in almost any fantasy realm.

Greg Rude
ID: 63552516
Mon, May 09, 2011, 21:02

I'm good with 2,3, & 4. (especially the ping pong lottery for more excitement)

I like 2 keepers, but would be interested in going back to 8 man rosters. (still only 2 bench)

I really don't like the idea of a salary cap or a prospect draft. I'm not interested in trying to show off wrestling knowledge and what 13 year old is about to explode on the scene. I wouldn't bother to keep up with it, and I don't. That's just me personally, no offense.

I like the idea to revamp championship points ... either losing points or a little less for new champs. I'd also be interested in a few additional pts (maybe 3) for specialty matches? (IE ladder, cage, iron man, #1 contender, etc etc)

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, May 10, 2011, 12:08

Ultimately, I really think that getting committed managers is one of the biggest challenges

Bobo is dead on. Not only will managers disappear for months, not make lineup and roster moves, but they can't even be bothered to offer suggestions as to how to improve the league in a thread like this.

We are going to need to reach a consensus pretty quick on any league changes for Season 18 because it may affect decisions that managers make for the rest of this season.

Zyre
ID: 54519200
Thu, May 12, 2011, 03:01

I think the WWE has hurt the league by the limited pushes they give on tv over the years making it very predictable and top heavy with which wrestlers get matches on tv and especially ppv's, that being said we cannot change that unless we score not just Superstars again but also start scoring NXT again to provide a wider variety of scoring options.

Looking at the ideas presented here I like the ping pong ball style weighted lottery, I like the prospect draft, I like opening the scoring back up to both of the internet shows, and if we keep the show scoring limited to Raw and Zyre's Friday Night Extravaganza (aka Smackdown) then I say we drop down to 1 keeper with no top scorer restrictions on it.

RJ
ID: 104251217
Thu, May 12, 2011, 23:54

I think it would deepen the league but I hardly ever watch Superstars or NXT. My idea of the other thread was somewhat drastic; just doing away with trading for future picks (you get what you get and that's it) but I know at the same time the ability to trade for picks adds a wrinkle you don't often see in fantasy league. I really am cool with whatever the league votes on and am here to stay; I just hope to see RWF continue on because you guys have created such a sophisticated scoring system from scratch and built a league that's been going on for almost 10 years and that's really saying something.

Has there ever been a thought of switching to a head to head format where you go up against a different manager every week and there are win/loss records and with a playoff system in place?

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, May 13, 2011, 10:51

I think what we need now is a list of all the possible ideas we have for changes and a system to cast votes on them. Anyone interested in organizing that? It doesn't have to be today or even this weekend, but maybe sometime over the next week?

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, May 13, 2011, 11:17

My next chance would be Sunday night, but only if the Dover race gets rained out. Which is looking likely.

Great One
ID: 14531621
Mon, May 16, 2011, 22:56

Trying to streamline some ideas which I think could get some traction... please vote. For some of these you may have multiple choices.

Trading of Draft Picks.
A - Leave trading of picks as is.
B - Managers can't trade #1 and #2 to same manager for any one season
C - Managers can't trade #1 picks in back to back seasons
D - Managers can't trade picks beyond the upcoming season
E - No trading of draft picks (starting next year)

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
A - Don't give up your high scorer each season
B - Increase keepers to __ or decrease to __.
C - Leave it as it is - lose top guy, keep 2

Draft Lottery
A - Draft reverse of standings, current system
B - 1st round only, weighted NBA style draft lottery

Playoff System
A - No Playoff
B - Finish the season with a "Final Four" head to head playoff format.
(i.e. end regular season at Rumble/Summerslam, then seed 4 teams or 6 teams (two byes) and have a 3-4 week head to head matchup per round depending on schedule. Non playoff teams enter the lottery)

Prospect
A - No prospects
B - 1 prospect who can be rolled over from season to season until hits a defined point threshold (we can define later).
My thought here is we have a prospect round of the draft, and either you carry over your guy (with no pick) or you pick a new guy.

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match? YES/NO
2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches YES/NO
(editors note - I like the idea, but we've tried this before and its failed cause its has such a grey area of what constitutes a specialty match. I think if we keep it simple, i.e. cage matches, ladder matches and ones that are real obvious we can work it).

Great One
ID: 14531621
Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:02

Trading of Draft Picks.
A - Leave trading of picks as is.
D - Managers can't trade picks beyond the upcoming season

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
A - Don't give up your high scorer each season - KEEP 3?

Draft Lottery
B - 1st round only, weighted NBA style draft lottery

Playoff System
B - Yes to a head to head playoff system over several week matchups, non playoff teams head to the lottery

Prospect
B - I think 1 prospect would be great. See how it goes, consider going to 2.

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match? NO
To me, he's already losing by having the belt taken off him. And we give title match points the other way, for participating in the important matches. I can't see penalizing him for following the storyline.

2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches YES if we can define a simple list. Cage, ladder, tables and a couple more.

Greg Rude
ID: 63552516
Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:05

Trading of Draft picks
B, C, D

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
C

Draft Lottery
B

Playoff System
A

Prospect
A

Scoring Changes
1. Yes
2. Yes

Greg Rude
ID: 63552516
Mon, May 16, 2011, 23:43

I change 1. under Scoring Changes to No.

Bobo
ID: 151142511
Tue, May 17, 2011, 11:03

Trading of Draft Picks.

B - Managers can't trade #1 and #2 to same manager for any one season
C - Managers can't trade #1 picks in back to back seasons
D - Managers can't trade picks beyond the upcoming season

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
C - Leave it as it is - lose top guy, keep 2

Draft Lottery
B - 1st round only, weighted NBA style draft lottery

Playoff System
A - No Playoff
B - Finish the season with a "Final Four" head to head playoff format.
(i.e. end regular season at Rumble/Summerslam, then seed 4 teams or 6 teams (two byes) and have a 3-4 week head to head matchup per round depending on schedule. Non playoff teams enter the lottery)

Prospect
B - 1 prospect who can be rolled over from season to season until hits a defined point threshold (we can define later).
My thought here is we have a prospect round of the draft, and either you carry over your guy (with no pick) or you pick a new guy.

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match? YES
2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches YES

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, May 17, 2011, 18:47

Bobo, you'll ned to adjust your playoff system vote. You voted for both, which are contrasting ideas.

Zyre
ID: 54519200
Wed, May 18, 2011, 02:01

Trading of Draft Picks.
A - Leave trading of picks as is.

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
A - Don't give up your high scorer each season
B - Increase keepers to 3.

Draft Lottery
B - 1st round only, weighted NBA style draft lottery

Playoff System
B - Finish the season with a "Final Four" head to head playoff format.
(i.e. end regular season at Rumble/Summerslam, then seed 4 teams or 6 teams (two byes) and have a 3-4 week head to head matchup per round depending on schedule. Non playoff teams enter the lottery)

Prospect
B - 1 prospect who can be rolled over from season to season until hits a defined point threshold

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match?
NO
2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches YES

I would also like to add that if we do a total redraft to implement changes that we void extra draft picks acquired in trades as part of the purpose of sending a #1 pick to someone is that you are entering next season with a qualty keeper. Also I suggest if we do redraft that the order be determined randomly and proceed in serpentine fashion.

wiggs
ID: 356532011
Wed, May 18, 2011, 08:35

Trading of Draft Picks.
A - Leave trading of picks as is.

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
A - Don't give up your high scorer each season
B - Increase keepers to _3_

Draft Lottery
B - 1st round only, weighted NBA style draft lottery

Playoff System
A - No Playoff

Prospect

B - 1 prospect who can be rolled over from season to season until hits a defined point threshold (we can define later). but can be drafted whenever. If you want to blow your 1st round pick to get a sleeper keeper, go for it.

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match? NO
2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches YES but a small amount

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, May 18, 2011, 12:27

Just food for thought, but I assume those of you voting for prospects, added points for specialty matches, or any other wholesale changes intend to chip in and start helping with the league right?

Because honestly, if I do happen to stay with the league after this season I have absolutely no intention of continuing to do all the current workload plus all these new stipulations you are looking to add. I'm not sure too many of you understand just how much work the league is to run. And all these changes will make it even harder.

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, May 18, 2011, 13:10

I'll definitely take standings over. Maybe we can also get someone to claim each show. Like Rude scores RAW each week and sends it to me. I think there must be a way to simplify the standings too and we should brainstorm that. I'm thinking condensing everyone into one score page for one. Smackdown/RAW have blurred so much anyway I don't see why we couldn't just do one master scoring page each week.

I don't think a prospect list will be terribly hard to monitor as long as we keep it simple. Designate your guy as a prospect whenever you pick him in the draft (the draft would expand one round). We keep that list of 10 guys in the Waivers thread and you call the guy up whenever you want. And once he hits 100 points or whatever we decide, he's no longer eligible to be carried over for free. Things would have to be hashed out of course... does a callup count as your roster move for the week? would it move you to bottom of waiver list? can we trade prospects? But that can all be figured out once we see if people like the idea.

Bobo
ID: 151142511
Wed, May 18, 2011, 14:52

sorry...I got pulled away and that was the one I was most undecided on. Here is my "official" vote.

Playoff System
B - Finish the season with a "Final Four" head to head playoff format.
(i.e. end regular season at Rumble/Summerslam, then seed 4 teams or 6 teams (two byes) and have a 3-4 week head to head matchup per round depending on schedule. Non playoff teams enter the lottery)

RJ
ID: 234211818
Wed, May 18, 2011, 19:21

Trading of Draft Picks.
B - Managers can't trade #1 and #2 to same manager for any one season
C - Managers can't trade #1 picks in back to back seasons
D - Managers can't trade picks beyond the upcoming season

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
C - Leave it as it is - lose top guy, keep 2

Draft Lottery
B - 1st round only, weighted NBA style draft lottery

Playoff System
B - Finish the season with a "Final Four" head to head playoff format.
(i.e. end regular season at Rumble/Summerslam, then seed 4 teams or 6 teams (two byes) and have a 3-4 week head to head matchup per round depending on schedule. Non playoff teams enter the lottery)

Prospect
Since there seems to be support, I'd give this a try. Just wondering what designates a prospect? Someone never to appear on WWE programming?
B - 1 prospect who can be rolled over from season to season until hits a defined point threshold (we can define later).
My thought here is we have a prospect round of the draft, and either you carry over your guy (with no pick) or you pick a new guy.

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match? NO
2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches Sure +5? (limited to Cage, TLC, Table, Chair, Ladder, Hell in a Cell)

YES/NO
(editors note - I like the idea, but we've tried this before and its failed cause its has such a grey area of what constitutes a specialty match. I think if we keep it simple, i.e. cage matches, ladder matches and ones that are real obvious we can work it).

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Wed, May 18, 2011, 21:09

Farn- totally agree with you. I hope you stick around- you are an original and it wont be the same without you.

Nailer
ID: 3944315
Fri, May 20, 2011, 10:22

Trading of Draft Picks.
E - No trading of draft picks (starting next year)

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
C - Leave it as it is - lose top guy, keep 2

Draft Lottery
A - Draft reverse of standings, current system

Playoff System
A - No Playoff

Prospect
A - No prospects

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match? NO
2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches NO

Season Length
4 ppvs (reason: 26 weeks is a loooong time to wait when you're in 5th-10th place with no chance)

Zyre
ID: 414321923
Fri, May 20, 2011, 17:37

I like Nailer's suggestion on the season length as well.

Tree
ID: 38414218
Sat, May 21, 2011, 09:14

i need to really look at some these things more. i think wholesale changes are needed.

i definitely like the shorter season idea. without question. at this point, i'm essentially on the sidelines, and have been since day one of the season due to Edge's retirement.

i don't want to see a change to the draft, but i would like to see a limit on draft pick trades.

i like prospects, at least one.

i like losing points for a championship loss, but not nearly as much as winning it. just a small amount - maybe 15 points or something.

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 09:57

Vote List
Before I try and summarize the results, a quick tally on who has voted so far...

VOTED Nailer
VOTED Wiggs
dahodges
VOTED Bobo
VOTED Great One
pending Tree
VOTED Greg Rude
VOTED Farn
VOTED RJ
VOTED Zyre

Tree
ID: 41512710
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 11:53

hmmm,i guess that means i need to review this thread again and vote?

RJ
ID: 26518723
Tue, Jun 14, 2011, 14:42

Also if not too late, I would like to change to "No Prospects"

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 10:56

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 10:57

I altered a couple of my votes so I deleted my first vote and posted my new votes.

These rules need to be finalized so teams/franchises can begin to plan for the future.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 11:24

Nevermind. I tabulated the votes that have already been cast.

We need Tree to cast a final ballot and to find dahodges and get his votes, unless he's a one and done, in which case we need a replacement.

Tree
ID: 41512710
Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 16:19

Trading of Draft Picks.
B - Managers can't trade #1 and #2 to same manager for any one season
C - Managers can't trade #1 picks in back to back seasons
D - Managers can't trade picks beyond the upcoming season

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
B - Increase keepers to 3 (but only if there are no prospect keepers)

Draft Lottery
A - Draft reverse of standings, current system

Playoff System
A - No Playoff

Prospect

B - 1 prospect who can be rolled over from season to season until hits a defined point threshold (we can define later). (but with only two additional keepers)

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match? YES/NO - YES
2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches YES/NO - NO

Nailer
ID: 57515278
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 09:19

Dahodges was on vacation all last week. I let him know to check and vote.

dahodges
ID: 33326416
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 20:46

Trading of Draft Picks.
C - Managers can't trade #1 picks in back to back seasons

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
C - Leave it as it is - lose top guy, keep 2

Draft Lottery
A - Draft reverse of standings, current system

Playoff System
B - Finish the season with a "Final Four" head to head playoff format.
Prospect
A - No prospects

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 20:48

And your vote for the scoring changes?

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 20:56

And as a headsup, you can vote for more than one option in category #1.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 21:02

And GO, you'll need to clarify your vote on Top Scorer/Keeper. You indicate an interest in 3 keepers.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 04, 2011, 19:10

Still waiting on dahodges to vote on the last option. And GO will need to clarify his vote on Top Scorer/Keeper.

Great One
ID: 35521016
Mon, Jul 04, 2011, 19:51

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
C - Leave it as it is - lose top guy, keep 2

Nailer
ID: 2563358
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 10:26

Dahodges vote:

Scoring Changes
1 - Lose points for losing championship match? YES/NO - YES
2 - Bonus points for defined specialty matches YES/NO - YES

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Aug 05, 2011, 19:35

so, what have we decided with these rules?

anyone want Sin Cara if i can't keep him? wow, my team is terrible.

Tree
ID: 41512710
Sat, Aug 06, 2011, 09:35

probably should discuss how we're going to score this - per pwinsiderelite.com

As noted earlier today, WWE is bringing back Sin Cara next week on Smackdown. How this can happen before his WWE Wellness suspension has ended is that it won't be the former Mystico under the mask.

We are hearing the plan is for WWE developmental talent Hunico to portray Sin Cara. I am told one of the reasons the company wants to get the character back on TV is because his merchandise sales have been very strong.

If you want to make things even more confusing to follow, Hunico did at one point portray Mystico in Mexico as well.

What this means for the future of Luis Ignascio Urive Alvirde, who had been playing Cara, is not yet known.

i'm biased, but it seems to me that who we're seeing on TV is Sin Cara, not Hunico, so the points should go to Sin Cara, no?

Great One
ID: 21726610
Sat, Aug 06, 2011, 11:26

Well that is crazy... would have to really think about it.

RJ
ID: 40711814
Mon, Aug 08, 2011, 15:11

Tree makes a good point. I would say we should give the points to Sin Cara as the vast majority of the audience will believe it to be the former Mystico + he'll be back soon anyway.

Greg Rude
ID: 5065318
Mon, Aug 08, 2011, 23:10

I was always under the impression we drafted actual men instead of gimmick/character ... which is why I thought everyone always used people's real names under waivers. (besides just showing off) :)

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Aug 08, 2011, 23:21

This really is tricky. Brings me back to the eagle that was Swagger's mascot. Speculation was that it was Chavo and we had decided if we learned it was indeed Chavo then Chavo would get the points. So in that case it was based on the wrestler, not the gimmick.

Tree
ID: 41512710
Mon, Aug 08, 2011, 23:29

there isn't a wrestler named "Jack Swagger's mascot". there is a wrestler named Sin Cara.

the guy on my roster is Sin Cara, and if the wrestler performing is announced as Sin Cara, i don't see how he can be denied points.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, Aug 08, 2011, 23:42

I'm not really arguing with you Tree. I'm ok with whatever the group decides.

That said, I'm not sure why you'd want the points. You are clearly aiming for the #1 pick. The less points the better.

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 09:46

I think it has to be a case by case basis unfortunately.

I think the Eagle would have just been the Eagle character - unless after a few weeks Chavo took his head off, turned on Swagger and said it was him all along. Then I'd retro give the points to Chavo. If it was never revealed and he was just playing it cause someone had to, then in storyline terms Chavo was irrelevant.

But I tend to agree that Tree now owns "Sin Cara" whoever the hell is portraying the character. In kayfabe terms, nobody in the crowd except us would know its not the same guy.

Maybe Rude can tell us what he did in his TNA league with Suicide who was played by Kazarian and Christopher Daniels etc.

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 09:47

And one of these days I'm gonna try and piece together the above, I've just been super busy with people out at work and kicking Tree's butt in baseball etc.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 09:47

Well, I read this morning that when the original Sin Cara returns, he may feud with the replacement Sin Cara. So we still may have an uphill fight on our hands to score this correctly if they actually go that direction.

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 10:28

Well then its definitely two different guys... but thats hilarious.

RJ
ID: 576914
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 15:06

Well that's quite the conundrum!

Tree
ID: 41512710
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 15:35

very clearly, that's double points for Sin Cara! sweeeet!

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 15:48

Before writing up a summary of changes and things that needed to re-voted or addressed I was trying to think of how the lottery would work in my head.

If we don't do a playoff, is it bottom 6... bottom 4... etc. or perhaps we consider a "cut" system similar to golf where anyone behind by more than say 500 points goes into the lottery at a point established i.e. Trade Deadline.

Greg Rude
ID: 5065318
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 14:25

G.O. we always went with gimmick only (Suicide points only) because it was way too hard to figure who was who. I only made my comment because I thought it was opposite here, since there's so many smart fella's :)

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 14:51

I think we use the real name for waivers many times i.e. I drafted/claimed Dos Caras -- was because we had no idea what they heck they were gonna call him -- Alberto Del Rio -- before he debuted.

blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 17:09

I think WWE is doing this on purpose to mess with you guys.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Wed, Aug 10, 2011, 17:22

I think they've been messing with us for 17 seasons.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Sat, Aug 13, 2011, 10:40

Small spoiler about the Sin Cara situation/storyline that's been hinted at above.

The plan is still for fake Sin Cara (Mistico/Hunico) to battle real Sin Cara when the real one says the other is a fraud.

If this happens I think any points that Sin Cara is currently earning would be removed and go to Hunico. So what I'll do is score it now as if its the real Sin Cara and notate that in the notes underneath so if we need to go back and remove points we'll know which ones should be removed.

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 17:22

STATE OF THE LEAGUE ADDRESS
Based on the input, voting and opinions above here is what Farn and I recommend as far as changes go.

Draft Pick Trading Summary -
We will not leave trading as is, but there will be trading of picks.
Approved
1 - Managers can't trade #1 and #2 to same manager for any one season
2 - Managers can't trade #1 in back to back seasons
3 - Managers can't trade beyond upcoming season

Top Scorer and Keeper Changes
My interpretation of the keeper opinions is we should go up to 3 keepers.... but the debate will be -- do we keep our top scorer or not? vote below.

Draft Lottery -
We will have a draft lottery going forward. Need to figure out how many involved.

Playoff System -
Split vote, leave as is for now, may revisit

Prospect YES
Prospect are considered any wrestler with less than 100 points previous season. Defined in a "prospect list" posted at the beginning of the season in the Transactions thread. You will make a prospect pick at any point during the draft. You can then call them up to your regular roster (without using waiver priority) at any point you see fit to do so. Once that prospect reaches 100 active points you'll need to add them to your roster for the following week or lose rights to them. If they stay below the 100 point threshold you can maintain their rights over the off season and that player will just become your lowest draft pick in the subsequent draft.

Scoring Changes -
NO - losing points for losing championship match
YES - Bonus points for specialty matches, we'll have a definitive list.
Cage, tables, Hell in a Cell etc.

NEW ISSUES UP FOR VOTE
1. Divide the seasons up into 4 shorter seasons per year? YES/NO
2. Draft lottery - how many teams involved? 6/8/All Teams or anyone below a certain amount i.e. 500 points out of 1st
3. Keeping 3 -- but do we allow top scorer to be kept or do we keep any 3?

Greg Rude
ID: 5065318
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 18:18

1. No.
2. Bottom 4 Teams (7-10)
3. 3 Keepers, but still lose top scorer - don't want to take away from the draft or the value of a #1 pick

Great One
ID: 157433020
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 18:55

I actually would vote right in line with Rude, so easy enough...

1. No.
2. Bottom 4 Teams (7-10)
3. 3 Keepers, but still lose top scorer - don't want to take away from the draft or the value of a #1 pick

wiggs
ID: 6772010
Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 23:08

1. No.
2. Bottom 4 Teams (7-10)
3. 3 Keepers, but still lose top scorer

RJ
ID: 257283123
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 00:28

NEW ISSUES UP FOR VOTE
1. Divide the seasons up into 4 shorter seasons per year? YES/NO
2. Draft lottery - how many teams involved? 6/8/All Teams or anyone below a certain amount i.e. 500 points out of 1st (Bottom 7-10)
3. Keeping 3 -- but do we allow top scorer to be kept or do we keep any 3? Still lose top scorer.

Going to again vote yes for playoffs.

My rationale: Playoffs make things more interesting as a team can't "run away" with a title like in standard rotisserie. Also, I advocate for shorter seasons because the draft is the most fun part to me and more drafts per year = more fun.

Nailer
ID: 47741321
Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 23:51

1. YES
2. Bottom 4 Teams (7-10)
3. Lose top scorer

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 01:19

1. No
2. Bottom 6 Teams (5-10)
3. Keep top 3 (including high scorer)

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 02, 2011, 09:02

1. yes
2. bottom 3 teams
3. lose top scorer (with 3 keepers including the top scorer, we're taking the top 30 out of the talent pool. that's too much in a league such as this.)

Zyre
ID: 3184234
Sat, Sep 03, 2011, 05:43

1. Yes.
2. Bottom 6 Teams (5-10)
3. 3 Keepers, but still lose top scorer

Great One
ID: 157433020
Tue, Sep 06, 2011, 18:52

4 votes for 2 seasons per year, 4 votes for 4 seasons per year - split so far

Looks like bottom 4 (7-10) is gonna be the way to go for Draft Lottery

3 Keepers - Still lose your top guy is a winner

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Sep 06, 2011, 19:06

Anybody know if chunk bar intends to manage after this season? He hasn't been heard from in months.

Great One
ID: 157433020
Tue, Sep 06, 2011, 19:30

Yeah, activity is kind of important. I think BH had a friend with interest.

dahodges
ID: 598351215
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 16:46

1.Yes
2.Bottom 4 Teams (7-10)
3.3 Keepers, but still lose top scorer

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 09:05

Ok - so trade deadline slipped by last night. But I think due to the unique situation of this season I think we'd all be in favor of extending it at least a week to account for new rules.

Looks, like we are going with 3 Keepers + lose top scorer.
So is everyone cool with a week of trading to plan for that and implementing the 3/1 system immediately?

Looks like we are leaning towards 4 short seasons, which I can't seem to figure out and ideal time to start and finish... do we seriously start a season after Royal Rumble and end at Wrestlemania? That seems crazy to me. gotta look at the timing.

And do we do draft lottery this season or wait til next year?
I would think we wait a season on this one, cause it impacts have some people have managed this season.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 09:17

I'd say we absolutely have to wait on the draft lottery. People made trades not knowing the lottery was coming.

This 4 short seasons is going to be such a mess. Its basically like a sprint. That's also more drafts, which as we all know take a full week as well.

Tree
ID: 41512710
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 09:21

maybe instead of going PPV to PPV, we go date to date. make it simple.

but yea, on hindsight, 4 seems like a lot. i wonder if we got caught up in the PPV mentality, and 3 four-month seasons is a smarter way to go.

Greg Rude
ID: 41831140
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 01:31

I'm pretty sure the initial idea was three seasons per year (4 months) which I don't think is a good either ... but there's no way anyone could have possibly wanted four 3 months seasons... not unless they were prepared to run the show.

Zyre
ID: 414321923
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 01:58

I am with Tree on the hindsight thing and would love to change my vote of question #1 to NO.

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 09:16

One thought which merges my cut theory with shorter stretches that have something to play for would be to cut the field after say 3 months, and then from a given week those bottom 4 or 6 or whatever battle each other to the finish... and whoever wins among them gets the most ping pong balls in the lottery.

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 10:51

i think we need to figure something out. for me, because i just can barely stomach the WWE at this point, my interest was already waning.

then, to effectively see my season end on the very first night of the season, killed it for me. with such long seasons, in a league like this, losing your #1 draft pick on night one puts you in a whole that is nearly impossible to pull out of.

Greg Rude
ID: 5065318
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 15:15

I wouldn't mind the suggestion that Great One had ... except maybe race for 4 months, then pull the top 4 teams for the final 2 months (everyone goes back to 0?) and the bottom 6 teams play for the most ping pong balls in the last 2 months as well?

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 17:07

i wonder if there oughta be a "loser's bracket" incentive, where those bottom six teams play for a shot to make into the final four, and thusly, the playoffs.

Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 17:51

Maybe just shorten it to 3 seasons of 4 months each. Obviously that doesn't fix Tree's problem of losing Edge on night 1 but outside of that rare circumstance it shortens each season by 2 months.

RJ
ID: 548421621
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 22:42

3 seasons of 4 months sounds like a happy middle.

Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Sep 26, 2011, 13:27

Alright, so we are ala the NFL I think we shutting this thing down after the PPV cause we gotta get some stuff ironed out thats on the table...

3 keepers, lose top scorer is passed and the new system and I think we can use it immediately as long as we allow for trading til the draft so people can reshuffle.
Or do we do a complete redraft?

And everyone seems cool with a compromised calendar of 3 seasons, 4 months each. But when? Do we simply go calendar year?
Start Jan 1st til end of April.
May til end of August.
Sept til end of December and end before the troops shows?

Guess we also need to decide if we want to end on a PPV as well, cause that makes it a bit more tricky. Cause you'd likely want to end with Wrestlemania - then maybe take a couple weeks off? and then 4 months til Summerslam in mid-August... and then start Sept. 1st til the Dec. PPV and then take a holiday break from mid Dec til New Years.

Greg Rude
ID: 48291621
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 02:05

Great One, I like the last suggestion ... picking out PPV's to end each of the 3 seasons, obviously one of them being Wrestlemania and then scheduling everything around that.

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Oct 06, 2011, 09:48

we are left with several questions during this dramatic RWF lockout (which is obviously being copied by the actual WWE walkout!)...

1. You plan to return?
2. Season Length - So if we go with the above schedule do we want to wait a couple months here to start on Jan 1? Or do we just do a old school season length whenever we are ready til Wrestlemania and then start the shorter ones.
3. Do we leave a trade window open for a week til keepers are due so people can better prepare for next season?
4. Throw some ideas out for the lottery cause it needs to be ironed out. Do we just do the bottom 4 teams at seasons end and then weight the ping pong balls ala the NBA? Do we reset those 4 teams points halfway and let them fight for the most ping pong balls to the end?

wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Thu, Oct 06, 2011, 10:09

1. You plan to return? Yes

2. Season Length - So if we go with the above schedule do we want to wait a couple months here to start on Jan 1? Or do we just do a old school season length whenever we are ready til Wrestlemania and then start the shorter ones.

Start the season when we are ready til wrestlemania

3. Do we leave a trade window open for a week til keepers are due so people can better prepare for next season?
sure

4. Throw some ideas out for the lottery cause it needs to be ironed out. Do we just do the bottom 4 teams at seasons end and then weight the ping pong balls ala the NBA? Do we reset those 4 teams points halfway and let them fight for the most ping pong balls to the end?

make the bottom teams fight for ping pong balls. I would prefer the team that finishes highest of the 4 teams gets the most balls making it is so teams do not just give up and take the 1st pick.

Greg Rude
ID: 48291621
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 16:48

1. YES !!
2. Start when ready till Mania, then begin the three 4 month seasons.
3. No. I just prefer no trading once season ends until it begins again.
4. I like the idea of the bottom 4 in their own standings for the most ping pong. If we do it that way, then i think the ping pong balls should be heavily weighted. If we DO NOT do it that way, then I don't think there should be a significant difference in the amount of ping pong balls per team so people still aren't tanking purposely.

RJ
ID: 21950814
Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 15:55

1. You plan to return? YES

2. Season Length - So if we go with the above schedule do we want to wait a couple months here to start on Jan 1?

just do a old school season length whenever we are ready til Wrestlemania and then start the shorter ones.

3. Do we leave a trade window open for a week til keepers are due so people can better prepare for next season?

No, prefer to keep it the same (see Rudes)

4. Throw some ideas out for the lottery cause it needs to be ironed out. Do we just do the bottom 4 teams at seasons end and then weight the ping pong balls ala the NBA? Do we reset those 4 teams points halfway and let them fight for the most ping pong balls to the end?

Bottom 4 in their own standings for ping pongs

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 10:42

YES
Whenever ready til Wrestlemania
Trades til this season starts? YES
4 compete for most ping pong balls....

Seems like we are headed to a Bottom Final Four battle for the most ping pong balls chances. And we'll weight it something like this out of 100 chances -- 60/25/10/5. But the question to me is when do we draw the line?

at what point in the season do we define the bottom 4? halfway? i worry that teams 5th-6th are gonna tank to get into it. Which steers me towards maybe going up to 6 teams, since realistically 4 teams could still be in contention for first. But I can't see a 5th-6th place team jumping up into 1st from halfway. So maybe define a "Final Four" of contenders halfway... and then the bottom six reset from halfway til the finish similar to the bottom four idea.

Greg Rude
ID: 48291621
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 15:33

Well there's 10 teams in the league ... so maybe 5 and 5. Only the last 2 months, do we split the divisions up? I like your ping pong ball setup but only because people would be competing for it. If we don't do the reset and just leave it as is, i think the ping pongs should be a lot closer to equal numbers between the different positions.

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Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 10:00

I am going to try and work on some of this after Thanksgiving but I'm going to be away most of the time until after that.

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Farn on phone
ID: 210341613
Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 14:34

If we can set a start date I can determine when the salary game will end so trades can be used wisely. Right now it's set to end December 30 but we can adjust that.

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Greg Rude
ID: 29031414
Mon, Jan 09, 2012, 21:54

The Funk-o-saurus? "Somebody call my momma" ??
Brodus AKA the new Godfather. Wow. LOL

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wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Fri, Apr 27, 2012, 17:18

Just to clear things up, I am not sure I totally understand the prospect thing. I just went through the thread and didnt see anything about this so

How does the prospect thing work, can I change my prospect for next season to someone on my team that hasnt scored 100 points, or do i keep the same prospect until he scores 100 points?

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Great One
ID: 512531316
Fri, Apr 27, 2012, 22:41

below is a summary in the scoring thread... yeah, I suppose we can word it in here that if you don't like your prospect you can just give up his rights and pick a different one at any point in the draft... and if you do like him he'll just be your last round pick.

Prospect Guidelines
A wrestler is prospect eligible if they had not scored 100 or more points in the previous season.

The prospect will need to be picked and declared a prospect during the draft in any round and he is your prospect til he hits 100.
If he never does you can keep in subsequent offseason’s and just forfeit your worst pick at draft time.
The prospect will remain on your bench until he hits 100 points or you call him up to your active roster.
You call him to your active roster by dropping one of your other 7 talents.
This add/drop of your prospect will count as your one transaction for the week.
Trading of prospect eligible players is allowed and they retain that eligibility.
Once your prospect crosses the 100 point threshold you will have roster freeze weeks to add them or they will be kicked to the free agent pool.

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wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Sat, Apr 28, 2012, 10:48

so I cant just change Rey to my prospect because he is under `100 points?

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Great One
ID: 36214199
Sat, Apr 28, 2012, 19:57

A prospect needs to be picked and declared a prospect during the draft at any point.

So you could draft rey and declare him your prospect but you cant just arbitrarily move him into that spot any other time. Just like other leagues with prospects you get them during the prospect draft. We just blend ours with the regular draft. Just like Lucky 13 used to if i recall.

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Tree
ID: 17039238
Fri, May 04, 2012, 11:23

can we discuss the prospect rules a bit more?

while it is what it is for now, the idea of Rey Misterio being considered a prospect, is ludicrous. to me, while not being against the letter of the law, it violates the spirit.

Brock Lesner was one thing - he hadn't wrestled in a number of years.

but someone who is still part of the WWE family, who is inevitably coming back from injury, shouldn't be considered a prospect IMHO.

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Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, May 04, 2012, 11:37

I thought it was a pretty good pick myself. Consider it a DL spot too.

I am not sure how to work around it. There are too many moving parts. Could you rule out guys with 1000 lifetime points? Then Brock wouldn't be eligible. And that's just more crap to track. I think the 100 previous season makes it simple enough to look back in one spot.

Just too many scenarios in wrestling... guys that disappear for years, go to TNA, veterans that get hurt or suspended and re-debut.

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Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, May 04, 2012, 12:09

I see Tree's point of view but there's no way to block something like that. Mysterio would have been my pick even though he wouldn't even have been a keeper. I think its a great move by RJ.

Heck, I'm not even activating Lesnar so he'll continue to be my prospect for now. There are loopholes but no way to close them all.

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Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, May 04, 2012, 12:13

One thought I did have.

As an example, wiggs can't trade his Season 20 1st rounder because he traded his Season 19 first rounder.

My amendment to the rules would be that if wiggs ended up trading back in to the Season 19 first round (hindsight now) then he could trade his Season 20. Basically, if you make a 1st round pick, yours or someone else's, then you are allowed to trade the following season's #1. There could be a loophole I'm missing but I think the spirit of the rule is to make sure nobody continues trading #1 picks. But as long as they make a 1st round pick it should be ok.

(long winded and possibly confusing, sorry)

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Tree
ID: 4411411
Fri, May 04, 2012, 12:19

i think it's pretty simple, actually. if the wrestler is an active part of the WWE Roster - the one published on their website, then they are not eligible to be DRAFTED as a prospect.

Any current prospect doesn't lose their eligibity for being on the roster, they just can't be drafted as a prospect.

this roster right here, both Superstars and Divas.

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Tree
ID: 4411411
Fri, May 04, 2012, 12:26

even though i kept my prospect, can i draft someone now as a prospect, declare him my prospect, and drop my other prospect?

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Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, May 04, 2012, 13:11

3 rule changes in 3 posts, wow... I don't know, draft them up and propose them.

1 - I don't really care who they pick, its just another part of strategy of picking a guy who hasn't been on TV the previous season.

2 - that seems reasonable, especially if we continue to not allow trading between the deadline and the start of the draft. just look at the first round to do the research of who can trade their subsequent 1st rounder

3 - I don't think thats how we drew it up - just like the Poli league prospect draft, if you declare them you declare them and they are yours til next offseason unless you call them up, drop them or trade them.

One thing I never defined was if you could have multiple propspects. You definitely need to be down to 0-1 prospect at draft time, but I don't think it would be an issue to have multiple prospect at various points during the season.

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Tree
ID: 37226713
Fri, May 04, 2012, 14:02

Holding off a bit more on my draft pick for further discussion...

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Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, May 04, 2012, 14:19

Well i don't think a rule change that big would be made mid-draft so I wouldn't worry about that.

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RJ
ID: 34302714
Sun, May 06, 2012, 21:21

1.2 Sheamus
A no brainer, the top scorer last season and WHC. Punk and Sheamus look to be the most can't miss picks so I feel like I really lucked out with the ping pong balls.

1.8 Santino
Currently the US champ, he adds more gold to my team. He has gotten over in a big way and while I briefly considered Mark Henry, I think Santino will continue to be an upper tier scorer.

2.2 John Laurinaitis
I think he's got a hilarious voice and obviously love the fact that he's the GM and will make regular appearances on both shows. I actually think he's pretty entertaining too, not to mention the upcoming program with Cena.

2.5 Great Khali
OK so the guy can barely walk, that doesn't change the fact that WWE must still use this guy to cater to the Indian market. Hoping to get one weekly match (win or lose) out of the big fella.

3.2 Rey Mysterio (prospect)
Mr. Controversy. My take: I saw Rey ad the best player on the board. I know he'll out at least until June 26 (around week 8). So this season assuming I make the playoffs, I'll only get a good 2 to 3 weeks tops out of him after he clears his 100, which may still well outscore guys drafted around this area. The kicker and reason I franchised his as a farmer is that he may well not even come back and I can wait it out until he does. I also considered Darren Young here but felt Rey might have the higher upside. While I admit it looks goofy as he's far from a rookie, I just couldnt pass up.

3.8 Kassius Ohno
Truthfully I don't know that much about him aside from some light research on his work in ROH. I was sold on a promo youtube clip he did when he debuted on FCW. I think his penchant to go for the knockout is kind of original. While, it's highly unlikely that we'll see him this season, I figured I'd roll the dice.

Keepers

Layla: I'm a huge fanboy and happy to have the flawless MVD (most valuable diva) this season.

Zack Ryder: I don't know where they'll take his character from here but I saw him as having at least mid to late second round value so hence, worth the keep.

Drew McIntyre: I'm kind of kicking myself for not keeping Sim Cara instead but I like Drew and have owned him for a long time. Unfortunately, he probably will be only good as injury insurance. I'm planning to platoon with Ryder.

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Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, May 07, 2012, 08:50

Great analysis. I definitely missed out on the bouncing balls... Punk/Sheamus was a pretty big drop off to Brodus, BigShow etc. Brodus was a big gamble cause they could just as easily pull the plug on him on a whim.

I like that all the new elements like the prospect spot and playoffs add new levels of planning ans strategy to this whole thing.

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Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, May 07, 2012, 09:19

I actually considered trying to trade back to #3 so I'd feel better about taking Brodus. I think he'll continue to squash for a while. And the reaction has been good so he should be solid at least through the end of the season.

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Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, May 07, 2012, 09:31

There really is nothing like the force of the squash push... Ryback really was a major player in Wiggs' championship run. It was perfectly timed.

I just fear his squash run is over and thats when things get dicey. But I agree he's got more appeal to him than a guy like Ryback/Goldberg as a silent destroyer.

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Farn on phone
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, May 07, 2012, 11:29

If anyone is punting I need a top scorer. Shoot me an email.

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Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, May 07, 2012, 14:42

Hope everyone is cool with the schedule I came up with. Definitely wanted to add some more shows to the playoff match ups and was trying to find a way to get rounds to end on live shows.

I think that end schedule came out to that - the only debatable thing is that there are 3 RAWs, 2 SD's in the semi-final and then 3 SDs, 2 RAWs and 1 PPV in the final. So if it was the old days when guys were exclusive I could see it as a disadvantage to have less shows with your guys in a scoring period... but lately all talent seems to be on all shows so I don't think it really matters.

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Greg Rude
ID: 8450283
Tue, May 29, 2012, 23:45

Offering Cody Rhodes & Dolph Ziggler ... would like a 1st rounder for each. Willing to throw in my 3rd round pick as well... to help sell.

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wiggs
ID: 42434510
Wed, May 30, 2012, 22:59

well with orton being suspended now- I will be taking offers on Ryback and Cena. looking for picks.

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Greg Rude
ID: 8450283
Thu, May 31, 2012, 15:50

Still willing to unload Cody + my 3rd for a 1st.

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Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, May 31, 2012, 16:28

I've got a 2nd rounder for sale for a consistent scorer.

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RJ
ID: 34302714
Tue, Jun 05, 2012, 21:30

Looking to move McIntyre/Khali for picks.

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Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 11:39

*WWE is adding another weekly series to their programming, with WWE Main Event airing on Wednesdays at 8pm on ION beginning October 3rd. This new show will feature talent from both the Raw and Smackdown rosters and further storylines from both series.

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Greg Rude
ID: 51542315
Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 16:07

I'm sure it will be another garbage show like Superstars was.

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wiggs
ID: 346271221
Sat, Jul 14, 2012, 10:39

It doesnt appear I am going to get a scorer to beat Randy Orton so I am looking for 1 of 2 things

1) trade a 2nd round pick for a scorer who has more then 250 points- IE john lauranitis type scorer

2) trade orton for a 2nd round pick to someone who might need an extra scorer in the superbowl.

Please get back to me asap

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RJ
ID: 516561618
Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 00:16

Wondering if there are any rules on cancelling waiver claims? Is it like Yahoo Baseball where you can just cancel a claim and place a different claim (as long as its only one per week?)

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Great One
ID: 13046197
Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 08:45

I've got no problem with cancelling a claim as long as its less than 24 hours and before it was official? Anyone else?

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RJ
ID: 186141713
Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 14:15

Ok well I posted the new claim in the Waivers Thread if everyone's cool with it. I just wanted to confirm.

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