| Posted by: Great One
- [573552512] Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:44
Talent | Season Total | Wiggs | Tough Break | | | Sheamus | 860 | Active | Total This Week | Active Team Points | Other Points | YTD Team Points | YTD Total Points | Big Show | 777 | Daniel Bryan | 682 | John Cena | x | 77 | 77 | | 445 | 445 | CM Punk | 587 | Big Show | x | 37 | 37 | | 777 | 777 | Santino Marella | 563 | Mark Henry | x | 0 | 0 | | 532 | 532 | Mark Henry | 532 | Randy Orton | x | 47 | 47 | | 238 | 495 | Cody Rhodes | 517 | Primo Colon | x | 0 | 0 | | 187 | 187 | Randy Orton | 495 | Skip Sheffield | x | 47 | 47 | | 169 | 169 | Chris Jericho | 491 | Seth Rollins | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Dolph Ziggler | 474 | Rey Mysterio | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | John Cena | 445 | Alex Riley | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 51 | Kofi Kingston | 426 | Colt Cabana* | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | David Otunga | 422 | | | | | | | | The Miz | 410 | Total | | 208 | 208 | 0 | 2382 | 2656 | Great Khali | 391 | | | | | | | | R-Truth | 379 | RJ | Team RJ | | | Jack Swagger | 376 | Active | Total This Week | Active Team Points | Other Points | YTD Team Points | YTD Total Points | Kane | 348 | Brodus Clay | 325 | Teddy Long | x | 5 | 5 | | 33 | 195 | Beth Phoenix | 288 | Brodus Clay | x | 42 | 42 | | 325 | 325 | Eve Torres | 262 | Layla | | 57 | 0 | 57 | 0 | 57 | Nikki Bella | 262 | Kelly Kelly | x | 0 | 0 | | 165 | 165 | John Laurinaitis | 258 | Drew McIntyre | x | 0 | 0 | | 183 | 183 | Zack Ryder | 228 | Zack Ryder | x | 10 | 10 | | 228 | 228 | Teddy Long | 195 | Sin Cara | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Primo Colon | 187 | AJ Lee | x | 0 | 0 | | 46 | | Brie Bella | 187 | Alex Riley | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 51 | Drew McIntyre | 183 | Justin Gabriel | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 122 | 122 | AJ Lee | 173 | Evan Bourne | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Epico | 173 | Randy Orton | | 47 | 0 | 47 | 257 | 495 | Skip Sheffield | 169 | Michelle McCool* | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | Kelly Kelly | 165 | | | | | | | | Wade Barrett | 156 | Total | | 161 | 57 | 104 | 1359 | 1821 | Natalya | 155 | | | | | | | | Alberto Del Rio | 152 | Nailer | Viva la Truth | | | Tamina | 148 | Active | Total This Week | Active Team Points | Other Points | YTD Team Points | YTD Total Points | Alicia Fox | 146 | The Rock | 132 | Alberto Del Rio | x | 0 | 0 | | 152 | 152 | Lord Tensai | 132 | R-Truth | x | 0 | 0 | | 379 | 379 | Ezekiel | 126 | Kofi Kingston | x | 0 | 0 | | 426 | 426 | Justin Gabriel | 122 | Ezekiel | x | 0 | 0 | | 126 | 126 | Hunico | 122 | Booker T | | 5 | 0 | 5 | 24 | 96 | Jinder Mahal | 113 | David Otunga | x | 0 | 0 | | 422 | 422 | Vickie Guerrero | 111 | Vickie Guerrero | x | 5 | 5 | | 38 | 111 | Booker T | 96 | The Rock | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 132 | 132 | Michael Cole | 95 | Hunico | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 89 | 122 | Brock Lesnar | 88 | Mick Foley* | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 39 | Hornswaggle | 85 | | | | | | | | Jey Uso | 82 | Total | | 10 | 5 | 5 | 1788 | 2005 | Triple H | 79 | | | | | | | | Aksana | 78 | Zyre | The Embassy | | | Undertaker | 77 | Active | Total This Week | Active Team Points | Other Points | YTD Team Points | YTD Total Points | Heath Slater | 76 | Jerry Lawler | 73 | Sheamus | x | 59 | 59 | | 860 | 860 | Darren Young | 64 | Daniel Bryan | x | 44 | 44 | | 682 | 682 | Titus O'Neil | 64 | Beth Phoenix | x | 5 | 5 | | 288 | 288 | Jimmy Uso | 61 | Epico | x | 0 | 0 | | 173 | 173 | Ted Dibiase Jr. | 58 | Jinder Mahal | x | 0 | 0 | | 113 | 113 | Layla | 57 | Batista | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Ricardo Rodriguez | 56 | Jey Uso | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 43 | 82 | Josh Matthews | 54 | Lord Tensai | x | 0 | 0 | | 132 | 132 | Yoshi Tatsu | 54 | Jimmy Uso | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 61 | Alex Riley | 51 | Heath Slater | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 76 | Jim Duggan | 42 | Leo Kruger* | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Tyson Kidd | 41 | | | | | | | | Mick Foley | 39 | Total | | 108 | 108 | 0 | 2291 | 2467 | Maria Menunous | 37 | | | | | | | | Camacho | 36 | Greg Rude | Rude's Ravishers | | | Christian | 33 | Active | Total This Week | Active Team Points | Other Points | YTD Team Points | YTD Total Points | HBK | 32 | Tyler Reks | 32 | Dolph Ziggler | x | 27 | 27 | | 474 | 474 | Curt Hawkins | 32 | Cody Rhodes | x | 77 | 77 | | 517 | 517 | Antonio Cesaro | 32 | Eve Torres | x | 10 | 10 | | 262 | 262 | Matt Striker | 28 | Tamina | x | 0 | 0 | | 148 | 148 | Naomi | 27 | Maria Menunous | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 37 | 37 | Rosa Mendes | 26 | Great Khali | x | 5 | 5 | | 360 | 391 | Cameron | 24 | Justin Gabriel | x | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 122 | Kharma | 23 | Alicia Fox | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 17 | 146 | Derrick Bateman | 10 | Aksana | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 78 | Johnny Curtis | 10 | Evan Bourne | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Michael McGillicutty | 10 | Samoa Joe* | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Percy Watson | 10 | | | | | | | | Edge | 5 | Total | | 119 | 119 | 0 | 1831 | 2175 | Regal | 4 | | | | | | | | Kaitlyn | 2 | Farn | End of the Road | | | Batista | 0 | Active | Total This Week | Active Team Points | Other Points | YTD Team Points | YTD Total Points | Bret Dibiase | 0 | Chris Masters | 0 | The Miz | x | 0 | 0 | | 410 | 410 | Colt Cabana | 0 | Jack Swagger | x | 10 | 10 | | 376 | 376 | D.H. Smith | 0 | Kharma | x | 0 | 0 | | 23 | 23 | Dean Ambrose | 0 | Triple H | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 79 | 79 | Evan Bourne | 0 | Natalya | x | 0 | 0 | | 155 | 155 | Goldust | 0 | Tyler Reks | x | 0 | 0 | | 32 | 32 | Husky Harris | 0 | Ricardo Rodriguez | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 56 | Jim Ross | 0 | Damien Sandow | x | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | John Morrison | 0 | Vince McMahon | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | JTG | 0 | Brock Lesnar* | | 52 | 0 | 52 | 0 | 88 | Kevin Nash | 0 | | | | | | | | Leo Kruger | 0 | Total | | 62 | 10 | 52 | 1075 | 1219 | Maryse | 0 | | | | | | | | Mason Ryan | 0 | TREE | Haku's Bastard Children | | | Michael Tarver | 0 | Active | Total This Week | Active Team Points | Other Points | YTD Team Points | YTD Total Points | Michelle McCool | 0 | Rey Mysterio | 0 | Santino Marella | x | 5 | 5 | | 563 | 563 | Samoa Joe | 0 | Undertaker | x | 0 | 0 | | 77 | 77 | Seth Rollins | 0 | Ted Dibiase Jr. | x | 0 | 0 | | 58 | 58 | Sin Cara | 0 | Mason Ryan | x | 0 | 0 | | 0 | 0 | Steamboat | 0 | Camacho | x | 0 | 0 | | 36 | 36 | Steve Austin | 0 | Wade Barrett | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 156 | Trent Barreta | 0 | Antonio Cesaro | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 32 | Damien Sandow | 0 | Percy Watson | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 10 | Vince McMahon | 0 | Rosa Mendes | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 26 | | | Kane | | 32 | 0 | 32 | 98 | 348 | | | Steamboat* | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | | | | | | | | | | | Total | | 37 | 5 | 32 | 854 | 1306 | | | | | | | | | | | | Great One | The Great Ones | | | | | Active | Total This Week | Active Team Points | Other Points | YTD Team Points | YTD Total Points | | | | | CM Punk | x | 64 | 64 | | 587 | 587 | | | Kane | x | 32 | 32 | | 250 | 348 | | | Chris Jericho | x | 39 | 39 | | 491 | 491 | | | Christian | x | 0 | 0 | | 33 | 33 | | | Regal | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4 | | | John Laurinaitis | x | 10 | 10 | | 258 | 258 | | | Brie Bella | x | 25 | 25 | | 96 | 187 | | | Tyson Kidd | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 41 | | | Wade Barrett | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 156 | 156 | | | Dean Ambrose* | | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | | | | | | | | | | | | Total | | 170 | 170 | 0 | 1873 | 2105 | | | | | | | | | | | | Free Agents | | This Week | | | | YTD Points | | | Aksana | | 0 | | | | 78 | | | Alex Riley | | 0 | | | | 51 | | | Bret Dibiase | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Cameron | | 0 | | | | 24 | | | Chris Masters | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Curt Hawkins | | 0 | | | | 32 | | | D.H. Smith | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Darren Young | | 0 | | | | 64 | | | Derrick Bateman | | 0 | | | | 10 | | | Edge | | 0 | | | | 5 | | | Evan Bourne | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Goldust | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | HBK | | 0 | | | | 32 | | | Heath Slater | | 0 | | | | 76 | | | Hornswaggle | | 5 | | | | 85 | | | Hunico | | 0 | | | | 122 | | | Husky Harris | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Jerry Lawler | | 5 | | | | 73 | | | Jim Duggan | | 0 | | | | 42 | | | Jim Ross | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Jimmy Uso | | 0 | | | | 61 | | | John Morrison | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Johnny Curtis | | 0 | | | | 10 | | | Josh Matthews | | 0 | | | | 54 | | | JTG | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Kaitlyn | | 0 | | | | 2 | | | Kevin Nash | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Maryse | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Matt Striker | | 5 | | | | 28 | | | Michael Cole | | 5 | | | | 95 | | | Michael McGillicutty | | 0 | | | | 10 | | | Michael Tarver | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Naomi | | 0 | | | | 27 | | | Nikki Bella | | 44 | | | | 262 | | | Rosa Mendes | | 0 | | | | 26 | | | Steve Austin | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Titus O'Neil | | 0 | | | | 64 | | | Trent Barreta | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Vince McMahon | | 0 | | | | 0 | | | Yoshi Tatsu | | 0 | | | | 54 | | | | | | | | | | |
| 1 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:45
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Standings | Wk1 | Wk2 | Wk3 | Wk4 | Wk5 | Wk6 | Wk7 | Wk8 | Wk9 | Wk10 | Wk11 | Wk12 | Wk13 | Wk14 | Wk15 | Wk16 | Wk17 | Wk18 | Wk19 | Wk20 | Total | Zyre | 408 | 170 | 171 | 261 | 141 | 119 | 79 | 137 | 47 | 150 | 79 | 102 | 156 | 163 | 108 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2291 | Rude | 287 | 166 | 121 | 267 | 113 | 92 | 69 | 79 | 52 | 169 | 45 | 59 | 0 | 124 | 119 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1762 | Nailer | 166 | 85 | 185 | 294 | 57 | 142 | 95 | 104 | 65 | 191 | 123 | 120 | 80 | 76 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1788 | wiggs | 235 | 53 | 101 | 221 | 180 | 117 | 138 | 118 | 115 | 188 | 162 | 144 | 233 | 169 | 208 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2382 | GO | 221 | 106 | 108 | 283 | 34 | 121 | 105 | 125 | 106 | 170 | 66 | 78 | 79 | 101 | 170 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1873 | RJ | 289 | 70 | 85 | 64 | 101 | 57 | 47 | 79 | 125 | 123 | 42 | 57 | 88 | 75 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1359 | Farn | 231 | 49 | 54 | 171 | 59 | 85 | 47 | 89 | 15 | 121 | 60 | 41 | 23 | 20 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1075 | Tree | 87 | 35 | 92 | 158 | 45 | 111 | 22 | 30 | 33 | 76 | 40 | 36 | 48 | 25 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 843 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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| 2 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:47
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RWF | Final Matchups | | | | | | | Final | Final Four | RAW R1 | SD R1 | RAW R2 | SD R2 | PPV | Total | Champion | Wiggs | 94 | 139 | 92 | 77 | 208 | 610 | Runner-Up | Nailer | 50 | 30 | 47 | 29 | 5 | 161 | 3rd Place | Zyre | 91 | 65 | 88 | 75 | 108 | 427 | 4th Place | Rude | 37 | 32 | 68 | 56 | 119 | 312 | Final | Fatal Four | RAW R1 | SD R1 | RAW R2 | SD R2 | PPV | Total | 1st Loser | Great One | 77 | 2 | 90 | 11 | 170 | 350 | 2nd Loser | Farn | 5 | 18 | 20 | 0 | 10 | 53 | 3rd Loser | RJ | 34 | 54 | 67 | 8 | 57 | 220 | 4th Loser | Tree | 40 | 3 | 25 | 0 | 5 | 73 | | | | | | | | |
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| 3 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:53
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Season End Prospect Check Zyre - Leo Kruger Rude - Samoa Joe RJ - McCool GO - Dean Ambrose Wiggs - Colt Cabana Farn - Brock Lesnar Nailer - Foley Tree - Steamboat
All 8 prospects finished Season 18 under 100 points and are eligible to be carried over.
When you email Wiggs keepers please indicate if you plan to carry over your prospect or if you plan to pick a new one (at any point during the draft). If you plan to retain them they will just be penciled in as your last draft pick, whenever you get to your last pick.
Remember we keep 3 now + lose top scorer like always.
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| 4 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 09:58
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Season 19 | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | S18 Prospect | Trades | Zyre | Zyre 1 | Zyre 2 | Zyre 3 | Zyre 4 | Zyre 5 | Zyre 6 | Leo Kruger | Week 6 - Barret/GO3 to Tree Kane/Tree6 | Rude | Rude 1 | RJ 4 | Rude 3 | Rude 4 | Rude 5 | Rude 6 | Samoa Joe | Week 7 - RJ(Orton, 5th, 6th) to Wiggs(Riley,1st,3rd) | RJ | RJ 1 | RJ 2 | RJ 3 | Rude 2 | Wiggs 1st | Wiggs 3rd | McCool | Week 7 - RJ(Gabriel +4th) for Rude(Bourne+2nd) | Great One | GO 1 | GO 2 | Tree 6 | GO 4 | GO 5 | GO 6 | Dean Ambrose | | wiggs | RJ 5 | Wiggs 2 | RJ 6 | Wiggs 4 | Wiggs 5 | Wiggs 6 | Colt Cabana | Season 18 1st Round Trade Summary | Farn | Farn 1 | Farn 2 | Farn 3 | Farn 4 | Farn 5 | Farn 6 | Brock Lesnar | *Cannot trade 1st Round Pick in Season 19 | Nailer | Nailer 1 | Nailer 2 | Nailer 3 | Nailer 4 | Nailer 5 | Nailer 6 | Foley | *Wiggs to RJ for Orton | Tree | Tree 1 | Tree 2 | Tree 3 | Tree 4 | Tree 5 | GO 3 | Steamboat Jr. | | | | | | | | | | |
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| 5 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 12:52
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Don't need to conceal keepers anymore (plus mine are pretty obvious)
Keepers Jack Swagger Damien Sandow Kharma Brock Lesnar*
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| 6 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 12:57
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I'm still in shock that I got Lesnar in Round 5 last season. If you factor in 3 keepers per team there were 60 guys taken before him.
I think I'm in good shape for Season 19. I'm looking to trade a #1 in Season 20 for a #1 in the upcoming draft if anyone has interest.
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| 7 | RJ
ID: 34302714 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 13:54
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Keepers Layla Zack Ryder Drew McIntyre
Not retaining Michelle McCool
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| 8 | Species
ID: 124591311 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 13:56
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Congrats wiggs.
Did my old franchise get contacted?? My aqua color is gone!
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| 9 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 14:05
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Yeah, you got contracted buddy. You were just too irreplaceable.
I didn't think Brock would ever come back, thats why I didn't bother with him. Then he got beat in that UFC match and retired... so I guess that changed things.
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| 10 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 14:12
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I think there's a slight error in the trade area. Can I assume that should say "wiggs can't trade his Season 20 #1 pick"? He traded his Season 19 so his Season 20 would be the one he'd have to keep.
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| 11 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 14:16
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Oh.. hmm... I guess that makes sense. He can't trade his 1st rounder during Season 19 is what I was trying to say.
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| 12 | Tree
ID: 23373014 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 15:38
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what's the draft order?
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| 13 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 16:02
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emailed Zyre to vote to clarify the lottery
Pre-Lottery Draft Order This will also be the order for rounds 2-6 1.Tree 2.RJ 3.Farn 4.GO 5.Rude 6.Zyre 7.Nailer 8.Wiggs
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| 14 | RJ
ID: 34302714 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 18:46
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Keepers Layla Zack Ryder Drew McIntyre
Not retaining Michelle McCool
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| 15 | Greg Rude
ID: 463472919 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 19:45
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Keepers Cody Rhodes Eve Torres Justin Gabriel
*Samoa Joe Prospect
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| 16 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 20:43
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Willing to trade Mark Henry if anyone needs a keeper.
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| 17 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 21:32
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I asked Go about this a week or so ago and he indicated it wasn't like Jeepers where you can trade between the end of the season and the keeper declaration/draft. So I think you're SOL on a trade possibility.
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| 18 | Tree
ID: 17039238 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 22:32
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well that answers that. lol
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| 19 | wiggs
ID: 497411815 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:10
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We have made trades between seasons in the past. When was thus rule changed?
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| 20 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:22
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We have? I couldn't remember one and didn't see any previous ones when I hunted.
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| 21 | Great One
ID: 512531316 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:40
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What would be the point of a trade deadline if you could just trade everything back after it all ended?
Find the trade deadline discussion when that was implemented and that would probably be where you'll find our discussion.
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| 22 | Tree
ID: 17039238 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:52
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GO - to play devil's advocate, in any other keeper league, you can make a trade before naming your keepers.
the season has ended now. yes, we have a very short off-season, but it's still an off-season,
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| 23 | wiggs
ID: 497411815 Mon, Apr 30, 2012, 23:56
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Well its the same thing in baseball football or basketball with that rational. I could make a trade for my playoff run and then trade a keeper if I have too many. Happens in every league.
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| 24 | Great One
ID: 512531316 Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:02
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I know, and you both said the same thing last time we voted on it. But these "off seasons" aren't the same as other sports - the impacts are more immediate and would alter the risk and costs associated with acquiring talent when making a title push.
What does it cost me to just go buy a bunch of top guys if I can go and sell them back for picks after I win the league?
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| 25 | Tree
ID: 17039238 Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:03
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is it something we voted on? if so, then so be it. i honestly don't remember.
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| 26 | wiggs
ID: 497411815 Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:12
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We don't have enough fire power to go buy a bunch of players. It only works is u need 1 guy and I am basically tracing a 1st round pick to get the guy and asking for a 2 in return.
I am not going to argue about it but it doesn't make sense to me to use that rationale. In football 101. I can trade my 1st round pick for someone and turn around and trade 2 keepers for 1 or 1 keeper for another pick. I dont see any difference
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| 27 | Great One
ID: 483133023 Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:13
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Here was the clarifying discussion from 2005... deadline clarification
Started with a less specific vote before. Also coincidently after Wiggs was champ... vote
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| 28 | Greg Rude
ID: 463472919 Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:38
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I agree with not trading until the new season officially begins ... you made your moves at the end of the previous season, if you did a trade for a major push ... then you deal with it for the next season. No need for annoying delays now. Let's go.
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| 29 | Tree
ID: 17039238 Tue, May 01, 2012, 00:49
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What does it cost me to just go buy a bunch of top guys if I can go and sell them back for picks after I win the league?
this is done in any keeper league.
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| 30 | Zyre
ID: 55118223 Tue, May 01, 2012, 01:44
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Keepers Daniel Bryan Lord Tensai Beth Phoenix
Prospect Leo Krueger - RETAINED
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| 31 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Tue, May 01, 2012, 09:33
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I get that other leagues let you trade over the off season but I think this league is a totally unique thing since there is no off season really. We aren't trading in conjunction with "real teams" trading and signing free agents and responding to those changes over a 6 month layoff.
And more importantly (since that rule was passed back in 2005) the intention was that you had to live with what you paid for if you bought a whole bunch a players to make a push, or didn't sell off that valuable piece before the deadline. It cost you more than a temporary rental.
And people could also manipulate and avoid losing their top scorers which would deplete available talent in the draft. Similarly without any consequence. i.e. had Santino scored 20 more points... I would simply swap him for Y2J and be keeping Punk. But there is no way I would have done that during the season while fighting for a playoff spot and the championship. But it wouldn't cost me a thing now and Punk would never sniff being available. But I know it wouldn't be for the good of the league cause it would make the trade deadline worthless.
But I think that's the main issue. If I trade my 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders for top talent I essentially rent all season... and then during our one week layoff (after I lock up my championship) I can just trade all my leftovers and get back those picks right back? What did buying all that cost me? Nothing.
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| 32 | Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Tue, May 01, 2012, 10:56
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FWIW - I remember the no-trades during offseason rule.
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| 33 | Tree
ID: 17039238 Tue, May 01, 2012, 11:56
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no biggie. just worth a discussion. when are keepers due?
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| 34 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Tue, May 01, 2012, 11:59
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Wednesday by noon. You can just post here or email them to wiggs.
We can totally vote on it again, but those are the reasons I would vote against it again. Even though as a crazy trader I know I would exploit the hell out of it since it would take away the value of the trade deadline.
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| 35 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, May 01, 2012, 12:44
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If we did vote again I'd vote it against it as well. I just prefer as much parity as possible.
We no longer need to be secretive with keepers right? Draft order for all rounds is set regardless of who you keep correct?
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| 36 | Great One
ID: 573552512 Tue, May 01, 2012, 12:49
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Ah.. never actually wrote all that in the proposal specifically. But I guess if we are switching to the lottery style system using the post-playoff order, there isn't really a need to do the old system.
Think we need a vote? or is that how everyone assumed it would work? Fine with me, certainly much simpler.
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| 37 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, May 01, 2012, 13:39
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Let me ask directly to make sure everyone chimes in...
Was everyone else also of the opinion that after the lottery (top 4 picks) that everything else was based on on the "post playoff order"? If so, say "yes".
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| 38 | Greg Rude
ID: 463472919 Tue, May 01, 2012, 15:22
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Yes ... no more emailing keepers, this is way better.
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| 39 | Tree
ID: 17039238 Tue, May 01, 2012, 15:24
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i'd like to see the last place team pick first in every round. that's what i'm voting for. :o)
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| 40 | Great One
ID: 512531316 Tue, May 01, 2012, 20:00
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GO Keepers Y2J Kane Christian Prospect Dean Ambrose will be retained
Top Scorer CM Punk lost
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| 41 | Nailer
ID: 47741321 Tue, May 01, 2012, 21:21
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Keepers Alberto Del Rio R-Truth David Otunga
Prospect: Mick Foley - no retain
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| 42 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Tue, May 01, 2012, 21:36
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But I think that's the main issue. If I trade my 1st, 2nd, 3rd rounders for top talent I essentially rent all season... and then during our one week layoff (after I lock up my championship) I can just trade all my leftovers and get back those picks right back? What did buying all that cost me? Nothing.
you wont get the same value for the players in a return trade. For example I traded a 1 and 4 to get orton- I was looking for a 2nd rounder for henry and I am not sure I was even going to get that.
I think it would have to be worded in a way that you couldnt trade for a player to make him your top scorer, you would have to trade for a guy that you could keep. Whatever, its over with now anyways.
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| 43 | Farn on phone Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, May 01, 2012, 22:10
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If I had a pick outside the top 4 I'd trade it for Henry. He's a better option than pick #6 for example.
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| 44 | wiggs Leader
ID: 04991311 Wed, May 02, 2012, 08:06
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Keepers Cena Orton Ryback
Prospect Colt Cabana Keep
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| 45 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Wed, May 02, 2012, 09:24
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I think the only keepers we're waiting on are Tree's (unless he sent them to wiggs).
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| 46 | Tree
ID: 17039238 Wed, May 02, 2012, 10:46
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i'm torn on keeper #3. like it really matters with this team. ugh.
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| 47 | Great One
ID: 2431114 Wed, May 02, 2012, 10:50
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Had to swap Ziggler for Rhodes for Rude - Rhodes passed him last week to become high scorer.
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| 48 | Tree
ID: 17039238 Wed, May 02, 2012, 11:02
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Keepers: Cesaro Barrett Camacho
Prospect: Steamboat
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| 49 | Greg Rude
ID: 463472919 Wed, May 02, 2012, 20:36
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I got the shaft!
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