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| Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- Sustainer [1629107] Mon, Jun 16, 2003, 12:23
If memory serves our League culminates with the Summerslam PPV. According to WWE.com, it will be on Aug 25, still 9 weeks away, but I'd like to start a discussion for who plans on returning for season II, what the start and end dates for that season will be and what rules changes we might look into.
Blue Hen's offer of Edge got me thinking about a few things. I've been coming on fairly strong lately, having cut my points out of 1st place in the last 6 weeks from 450 in week 17 to 370 in week 21. I had a pretty good week 22 and a decent PPV yesterday, so depending on how the rest of this week and the next couple of weeks go, I have to decide if I have the stuff to try to make a run (unlikely but not ruling it out just yet) or if I should call this a wash and load up for next next season by offering one of my active stars for Edge.
First, I'd like to ensure that there will be a next season. In my opinion we put together a pretty good league that was both managable and fun with a points system that I think reflected the WWE the way most of us intended. I definitely am looking foward to continuing this and hopefully most or all of the rest of you are, too.
Also, if we haven't established one already, I'd like to suggest we make a trade deadline. I think 5 weeks before the season ends sounds about right, which would be July 20. |
| | | 1 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Mon, Jun 16, 2003, 12:29
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I am very interested in playing again.
Agreed on the trade deadline.
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| | | 2 | Tree, also @ work
Donor
ID: 599393013
Mon, Jun 16, 2003, 13:52
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i'm definitely in....did we figure out our keeper situation?
peace,
Tree
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| | | 3 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Mon, Jun 16, 2003, 14:56
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I'm in too. The Defending Champ must be represented next year! ;-)
Final keeper rules were: You may keep four wrestlers, except your highest scoring wrestler.
This goes for trades as well. If I trade HHH to someone, they are unable to keep him if HHH as a whole would be their highest scoring wrestler had they owned them the entire year.
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| | | 4 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Mon, Jun 16, 2003, 15:16
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If a manager trades his highest scorer, he is still forced to give up the wrestler with the most total points on his roster at season's end, correct?
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| | | 5 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Mon, Jun 16, 2003, 16:53
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From the way I understood it, yes MITH.
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| | | 6 | Tree, also @ work
Donor
ID: 599393013
Mon, Jun 16, 2003, 17:11
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the only two guys this serious affects, at least right now, are HBK and Undertaker, i believe.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 7 | mIST
ID: 5351150
Tue, Jun 17, 2003, 03:31
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Of course I'll be in.
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| | | 8 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 149272511
Tue, Jun 17, 2003, 14:09
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I will be in as Defending Champ ;)
Cliff
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| | | 9 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 40029714
Tue, Jun 17, 2003, 15:07
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In.
And I'm not too scared of the rules, because I'd only lose one of Team Angle.
I do think that "appearing backstage" and "backstage vignette" should be separated. And I think the points for winning vs losing should be closer.
And I'd go a little later with the trade deadline. No need to cut it off that early.
MITH - call it a wash - I'll give you Edge for Jericho...
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| | | 10 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Tue, Jun 17, 2003, 15:09
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Sorry, hen. The offer I was going to make was already trumped by HBK. I like your idea for closing the points gap between winning and losing.
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| | | 11 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Tue, Jun 17, 2003, 21:30
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Well, since this kinda stuff just is "Not for Everyone," I'll stay in. ;)
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| | | 12 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 10261612
Wed, Jun 18, 2003, 02:53
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i am in too.
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| | | 13 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Wed, Jun 18, 2003, 10:00
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Excellent response. If we wind up with any vacancies, I know someone who would like to take over a team.
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| | | 14 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 14:19
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Few Things:
1. 2nd Season will have a draft. What's the order? Last place to first snaked?
2. If so, it appears as though at least 2 teams won't be back. (Kev/THK and MNG?) Does an incoming manager inherit their team? Is there an expansion draft?
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| | | 15 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 15:35
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Has to be snake/reverse order. I believe the incomming managers should choose the four keepers and draft like the rest of us, in whatever position that that particular team should draft in according to the Season I final standings.
I also was going to suggest we nominate and elect a commish (we don't have one, do we?), but on second thought the league seems to run just fine without one. We had a mid-season rule change and numerous events to deal with that were not covered by the established rules and I think we handled everything really well.
Matters we should start working on at this point:
When is the trade deadline?
How long do we give Kev/THK and MNG to confirm their status for next season?
Are there any rule changes we should consider for next season?
BH suggests a smaller difference between loss points and win points and I tend to agree. He also suggests changing or specifying exactly what applies for a backstage vignette. I'm not sure where I stand on that but I'd like to hear some ideas.
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| | | 16 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 17:05
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It was decided that the draft order would be a combo of inverse of this season's finish, along with a valuation of your keepers, with you drafting at the "average" of those two things.
i.e. - say Team X finishes 4th in the league, and they have the best keepers (a total of all of the points scored this season). They get a "4" in terms of league finish and a "1" in terms of keepers, for an "average" of 2.5.
Say team Y wins the league (getting a "1" in terms of league finish") and has the third best keepers (getting a "3"), they'd have an average of 2. Team Y would draft last, team x would draft 2nd to last, etc.
Complicated, but it was an awesome way to take into account the strength of one's keepers into next season's draft.
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| | | 17 | Tree
Donor
ID: 215152319
Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 20:39
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post 16 has it...
it was determined in post 45 of this thread:
1. 8-person roster
2. 6 starters, 2 bench guys
3. 4 keepers, but not your top scorer.
draft order is determined as such:
A. using the eligible points of your four keepers, standings are determined. top team is in first, etc etc.
B. add your official finishing position to the number achieved in A.
C. divide that number by two, and the HIGHEST number draft first, and down the line. if there's a tie, it should be determined by standing position.
ADDITIONALLY - the keeper situation is:
a. your top scorer is gone. period.
b. you choose TWO of positions 2 through 4 to keep.
c. you choose two other guys of 5 through 8, for a total of FOUR keepers.
d. you can actually choose to keep less than 4 wrestlers. if this happens, anyone who does that gets "extra" picks at the end of the draft, in the same order as the draft had been going all along.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 18 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 312481619
Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 20:45
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OK right. Thanks guys.
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| | | 19 | Tree
Donor
ID: 215152319
Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 20:59
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for sh!ts and giggles, i decided to kinda see who would draft where, given the current standings and keepers. since i have no idea who would keep who, i just decided to let everyone keep their four highest scorers - chart in my next post...
peace,
Tree
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| | | 20 | Tree
Donor
ID: 215152319
Mon, Jun 23, 2003, 21:09
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| Manager | Pts | Pts Rank | Standing | Total | Overall Rank | Draft Pick | | MNG | 136 | 12 | 12 | 24 | 12 | 1 | | Farn | 207.5 | 11 | 11 | 22 | 11 | 2 | | Tree | 265.75 | 8 | 9 | 17 | 8.5 | *3 | | Mist | 261.75 | 9 | 8 | 17 | 8.5 | *4 | | MITH | 224 | 10 | 7 | 17 | 8.5 | *5 | | Wiggs | 279.75 | 6 | 10 | 16 | 8 | 6 | | Great One | 273.25 | 7 | 6 | 13 | 6.5 | 7 | | Mike D | 317.75 | 4 | 5 | 9 | 4.5 | 8 | | Kev | 326 | 3 | 4 | 7 | 3.5 | 9 | | Goat Locker | 298.5 | 5 | 1 | 6 | 3 | 10 | | Blue Hen | 335.75 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 2.5 | 11 | | Species | 354.5 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1.5 | 12 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Key: | | | | | | | Pts - Avg of four keepers | | | | | | Pts Rank - should be obvious | | | | | Standing - position in official standings | | | | Total - Pts Rank plus Standing | | | | | Overall Rank - Total divided by 2 | | | | | Draft Pick - where this team would draft | | | | * Tie broken by order of standings, with worst team | | | | getting higher pick, as per the rules | | | | | | | | |
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| | | 21 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 7724916
Tue, Jun 24, 2003, 00:42
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Tree - your keepers are incorrect. It was simplified to 4 keepers.....with the only limitation being that your top scorer was out. Nothing more....nothing less.
I'm too lazy to find it at the moment, but whatever that latest keeper voting thread says, that was it.
Later.
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| | | 22 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 40029714
Tue, Jun 24, 2003, 19:44
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Lame. Some of my keepers won't score as well next year but I still get a lousy draft pick.
I'd rather go in the opposite order we picked before.
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| | | 23 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 10261612
Tue, Jun 24, 2003, 21:47
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i think it should just be reverse order from the way you finish.
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| | | 24 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 312481619
Tue, Jun 24, 2003, 21:50
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Well we did vote and agree on this but I see no reason why we couldn't vote again if you want.
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| | | 25 | Tree
Donor
ID: 19523256
Wed, Jun 25, 2003, 07:35
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i disagree strongly with a revote. the previous vote was made before the season made its mid-way point. now that we're about 8 weeks from the end of the season, i think re-voting is sketchy at best.
the majority voted in favor of a system of doing things in the thread referenced in post 17 of this thread.
in fact, that thread concluded with Blue Hen's "Fine yes good", a begrudging comment no doubt, but nonetheless, a vote was made, and the majority agreed. we can't keep going back and voting and re-voting on issues.
maybe it can be revisited in the midst of the next season, but not a month later.
as for BH's keepers - dude - you'll get Edge, Haas, and Grenier, all of whom should score well next season. you'll have the option to keep the Rock too, who has done VERY well in limited action - he'd be the number 2 scorer on my team.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 26 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Wed, Jun 25, 2003, 11:33
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I also disagree with a re-vote. I thought the system was an excellent way to offer a counter-balance to "dumping" - rotisserie baseball's term for trading away all of your studs for next year's keepers. While of course you can dump all you want per these rules, the effect of it will at least be partially offset by the stud keepers you'd have going into next year.
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| | | 27 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 10261612
Wed, Jun 25, 2003, 15:47
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i just think that i get the shaft, i took my beating this year and finish 10th, yet because all my guys suck equally i still have to pick 6th.
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| | | 28 | Tree
Donor
ID: 19523256
Wed, Jun 25, 2003, 20:41
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Wiggs - be a bit more rational bro. those numbers above are VERY inexact, and the season is a long way from being over - even so, examine them closely.
MNG finished last, and has crappy keepers. Farn finished second to last, and has pretty crappy keepers too.
they draft first and second, no argument.
then there's four of us that are neck-and-neck in mediocrity - me, you, mist and mith. those numbers will constantly change before season's end.
based on the criteria i used, your keepers would be Batista, Flair, Goldberg, and Dawn Marie. not too shabby of a crew i say. and if you add mick foley instead of Dawn Marie, you've really got a solid 2-3-4-5 tandem there, especially if Foley decides to come back full time, which seems pretty likely now.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 29 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 10261612
Wed, Jun 25, 2003, 21:36
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i think foley could be ok, but i also think flair has to be on the way out. i think he is 104 years old. i will do what ever, i have just been excited about having a shot at a true number 1.
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| | | 30 | Tree
Donor
ID: 19523256
Wed, Jun 25, 2003, 21:39
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i thought flair was on the way out before this year. but with the way Evolution is getting their push, i think he'll be a weekly part of WWE TV for awhile.
additionally, it wouldn't stun me if he wins a title one more time - either the U.S. title or a Tag Team Title, perhaps as a face, in someplace like Charlotte or Greensboro.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 31 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 10261612
Wed, Jun 25, 2003, 21:44
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that would make me happy.
also have you heard anything about batista? is he due back anytime soon?
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| | | 32 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 22100300
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 00:13
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I didn't say revote. I just said lame. I got very little from my first two picks (still bitter about having to pick 10th) but I'll deal with it.
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| | | 33 | Tree
Donor
ID: 19523256
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 07:23
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so BH, who's fault is that?
i don't think anyone rewarded the Dallas Mavericks for top draft picks like: Terence Stansbury, Jim Farmer, Randy White, Doug Smith, Tony Dumas, Loren Meyer, Etan Thomas, and all the rest.
if your draft didn't go as well as expected, who can you blame? i took a risk, drafted a guy who quit the wwe, returned briefly, then retired from active wrestling. it happens.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 34 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 09:20
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Really Blue Hen you spent the whole season in one of the top three positions. For that reason alone you shouldn't deserve a high draft pick. I think most of us would be happy to carry over Haas, Rock, Edge and Granier. Look at my prospects:
Trish - might be strong if they ever expand the average number of women events per show to something higher than one, considering all the new talent
Rodney Mack - does he look like a career jobber ala Brooklyn Brawler or what?
Stamboli - I still have hope, but he really hasn't shown me what I expected to see
Nunzio - he's obviously no rey mysterio and lacks Hurricane's charisma and Gowan's fan endearment, so this guy's ceiling (not that he'll ever reach it) is as a Jamie Noble/Tajiri level carder.
Dan Basham - popular as Damaja, I guess, but we really have no idea about his potential. Guys ike him and Lance Cade are anyone's guess.
Furthermore Blue Hen, Tree assumed your four keepers would be the highest scorers on your team. Are you sure that your highest overall scorers are the ones that you are likely to declare as your keepers? Even if they are, you know you could always choose to drop someone like Haas if it will help your draft position.
Quit yer bitchin, dumbass.
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| | | 35 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 40029714
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 14:03
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Heh, fair enough. I did well this season on late-round talent, and I can do so again. Glad it sparked responses... isn't that what I used to be known for?
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| | | 36 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 14:11
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I am all in favor of this system. :)
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| | | 37 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 14:18
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Glad it sparked responses... isn't that what I used to be known for?
Yes, in grand fashion.
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| | | 38 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 14:23
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Key word is used
;-)
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| | | 39 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 14:26
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Haha! For the purposes of this league, I have no problem with instigating him.
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| | | 40 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 40029714
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 17:22
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Alright Species, you are now added to the Official Blue Hen Enemy List, right between Ronde Barber and Joe Carter. Congrats.
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| | | 41 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Thu, Jun 26, 2003, 17:53
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Oh blue hen - you should know better than to even sarcastically threaten me! I'm sure you wouldn't want me to point out the real blue hen that I got to know in those IM conversations regarding something in Connecticut (or was it Vermont?).
Heh heh.
Damn punk.
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| | | 42 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 40029714
Fri, Jun 27, 2003, 17:55
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Ouch. I hereby offer Sylvan Grenier and Charlie Haas to Species for whatever scrubs he wants to give me...
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| | | 43 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sat, Jun 28, 2003, 14:30
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1. When would the draft for Season 2 take place?
2. What if someone has two guys close to being #1 scorer for them? Hard to conduct the draft not knowing which guy is free.
3. Should we consider taking the week after Summerslam for the draft and having no scoring that week before Season 2 starts? Might be the best way to go.
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| | | 44 | Tree
Donor
ID: 175272719
Sat, Jun 28, 2003, 15:36
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Farn - as i understand it, season 1 ends on the smackdown AFTER summerslam.
season two begins on the following raw, i think. am i wrong - or did we already decide to take a week off?
peace,
Tree
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| | | 45 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sat, Jun 28, 2003, 15:47
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I have no idea Tree. Trying to sort that out. My vote would be to make sure we have at least finished Season 1 so everyone knows who they want to keep.
If it ends after Smackdown after Summerslam I would propose that the draft doesn't start til the next day. We would have Friday-->Monday night to draft. Could be a problem with people on a weekend.
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| | | 46 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 312481619
Sat, Jun 28, 2003, 18:59
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I think we should take a week off and commence the draft during that week and not before. I think keepers should be declared by Saturday night at midnight after the last Smackdown (the last show of the season). That's two full days for anyone who decides they need to see that last show to determine their keepers.
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| | | 47 | kev
ID: 3155515
Sat, Jun 28, 2003, 19:55
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The draft is only for 4 wrestlers. I think if people have a que, it should go pretty fast. The problem is people on summer holidays, or camping for weekends.
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Donor
ID: 7516100
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 10:56
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Question on how the points are determined for individual wrestlers. It does not appear any consideration is being given to whether you have a wrestler activated or not. In other words, if I have Kane benched and he scores 50 points, that goes into his overall point total whether I got those 50 points or not.
Is it everyone's understanding that the total points scored is the criteria, as opposed to the total points scored for their owner?
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| | | 49 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 11:02
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Total points scored should be the criteria. As I understand Trees, spreadsheets, he only tracks wrestler points for weeks that they are active. I started a spreadsheet for total points by week for every wrestler, but I'm an excel novice and I couldn't figure out how to get cells to add up in a total points column and then my frustration turned into laziness. I'd appreciate any help anyone could give on that.
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| | | 50 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 11:10
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MITH, couple ways to do that. Either use a formula, or even easier, use the auto sum button. Simply highlight the cells you want to add, and go one cell further, then click the auto sum button at the top. It performs it for you. The button looks like a fancy (greek?) capital letter E.
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| | | 51 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 11:15
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Cool, thanks, Mike D. Kind of embarrassing that my excel skills are so poor.
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| | | 52 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 11:16
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Anytime MITH. We've all been there bro.
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| | | 53 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 11:37
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Agree that it's total points for the wrestler when determining keeper eligibility.
Have we decided to relieve our delinquent respondants of their managing duties yet? I'm too lazy to see who hasn't replied....hahahaha
But shouldn't we get someone in SOONER rather than later, so they can get a feel for waivers, points, rosters, etc.??
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| | | 54 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 11:45
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I think there is only one - Mr Nice Guy, if I'm not mistaken.
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| | | 55 | Tree, also @ work
Donor
ID: 599393013
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 14:32
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wait. i'm confused.
i understand it to be total ELIGIBLE POINTS - i.e. total points scored that counted toward the standings, regardless of whether the wrestler had one owner, or 12 owners.
points that don't count toward the standings shouldn't be counted toward whether someone is a keeper or not - just points that were eligible.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 56 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 14:38
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Tree---what points don't count toward the standings, therefore not being "eligible points?"
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| | | 57 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 14:43
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Total eligable points means all points that a particular wrestler scored over the course of a season. For example, Molly Holly had a pretty good RAW Monday night. She defeated Gail Kim for the Women's title for 45 points.
But I did not have her active. So, as far as I understand the way you put together your spreadsheets, Molly's 45 points from Monday will not be reflected for her total score, correct? This will be even more evident with Vince, who I have severely underused this year. By season's end he will probably have scored twice as many points as I have collected from him. All points that a wrestler scored - during active and inactive weeks - should be reflected when we determine the highest point getter for each team. If not, a team out of contention could simply bench his best wrestler at mid-season so that he will not have the highest total from his squad at the end, thus being able to keep him for next season.
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| | | 58 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 14:53
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Which is why I posed the question to the group.
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| | | 59 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 14:59
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In my opinion, total points for the entire season should be counted when we are determining our highest scorers and also the scores of our keepers. They will also be valuable to for everyoe to use during the draft. I'll have the sheet banged out in a couple of days (I promise) and I'll need a little help on how to post it. As you can imagine, it's pretty big, one row for each of well over 100 wrestlers and a row for every Raw, Smackdown and PPV. Maybe I'll split it into seperate sheets for each month.
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| | | 60 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 15:26
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Should count em. Or else I'm going to bench Mr. Benjamin for the rest of the year.
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| | | 61 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 15:29
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Hell everyone not in contention should bench all their top scorers for the rest of the season if we don't count total points. You have to count them.
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| | | 62 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 15:36
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Does anyone know of a potential replacement for Mr. Nice Guy? How about The Onlooker?
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| | | 63 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 15:46
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Wholeheartedly agree with MITH and bh......should be total points scored by the wrestler in terms of keeper eligibility.
The Onlooker certainly seems worthy, but is he/she interested? Anyone else have any bright ideas for MNG's replacement? I think it's time to replace him.
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| | | 64 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 55635225
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 15:56
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i think the onlooker posted before saying he didnt have time to do it, although he would be a nice addition to the league.
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| | | 65 | Tree, also @ work
Donor
ID: 599393013
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 17:11
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i guess my argument about total points not counting is that they haven't been calculated or posted for the entire season - then, with four weeks to go, we're gonna post them and count them in regards to keepers, etc.
if the points had been posted all season, that would be one thing. but to suddenly throw this into the mix with a month to go, i don't think is right.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 66 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 312481619
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 19:44
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They are there for everyone to see, just not all in one place. I think the most integrous thing to do is to have the best scorers represented as the best point scorers. I don't understand why the fact that no one was ambitious enough to keep track of and regularly post a record of total active and inactive scoring for the season is any reason why we should not have an accurate representation for what every wrestler scored. The goal is to accurately represent what they are reletively worth in comparison to each other, isn't it?
Frankly, with the way I've underused Vince and selected my roster so poorly in so many weeks, I'm sure I am probably going to see enough points added in (points that don't help my team in the standings) to knock me down a spot or two in the draft.
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| | | 67 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 21:42
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Wow, sorry I asked. ;)
It really seemed like we were using Tree's results (see the entire thread here---lots of earlier discussion). I wasn't really sure whether Tree was considering active v. benched in his results. I kind of agree it would be odd to use results we haven't seen, though I also have no idea how different they may be from Tree's.
Tree, you were only using active points in your overall wrestler results? I know you did that for our team scores, but wasn't sure about the individual results.
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Donor
ID: 376153019
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 22:22
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i only used active points. when i originally set up my spreadsheets, i realized i didn't really leave any sort of space or formula or anything for inactive points, and how to distinguish them from the active ones, so i left them off.
i have never posted inactive points, because i have never tracked them.
all results - overall scoring, weekly scoring, and top scorers - are based on ACTIVE points only.
while i understand the point of being more accurate in choosing keepers, i've personally been watching my wrestlers as they pertain to ACTIVE points, because that seemed to be the standard until this discussion.
once again - everything that was posted in the spreadsheets was ACTIVE points. i'm working on some sort of redesign, which i may, or may not finish, to include inactive points for next season.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 70 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 312481619
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 23:01
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I see that the number for A-Train is way off. There must be some discrepency in my sheet for some of the rows to not be adding up right. I'll try to figure it out tomorrow.
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| | | 71 | Tree
Donor
ID: 376153019
Wed, Jul 30, 2003, 23:05
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MITH - i won't be working on it tonight, but if you wanna send me the spreadsheet and i'll see if i can figure out what's not working right, feel free...
peace,
Tree
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| | | 72 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 08:31
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Thanks, I'll send it to you when I get home.
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| | | 73 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 11:36
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I see that Al Snow and "Hot Lesbians" are tied.
Cool.
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| | | 74 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Thu, Jul 31, 2003, 11:58
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I see also that I have both 'Kanyon' and 'Chris Kanyon' listed. Those scores should be combined.
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| | | 75 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 08:57
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MITH - i'm working on the spreadsheet still, and having a tough time figuring out why excel is coming up with the numbers it is. the autosum isn't working correctly, and neither is the =sum(c6:cs6) command...
or, more precisely, since computers only do what they're told, we're giving it mis information...
just giving hte latest...
peace,
Tree
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| | | 76 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 09:18
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Clear the contents of the problem cell(s) and re-imput.
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| | | 77 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 09:18
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Literally by right clicking and choosing clear contents.
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| | | 78 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 09:25
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Mike D - btw, in the baseball trade i offered, that *IS* the direction i wanna go, so just accept my trade offer. LOL
actually, i tried to total it up in a completely different cell, and still got the whacked out numbers. so i'm gonna have to go through it with a fine toothed comb....there are some "squeezed" cells in there to create a sort of...hmmm...vertical line-break sort of thing, and i wonder if some numbers accidently found there way into those...
peace,
Tree
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| | | 79 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 09:29
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Mike D - thanks - for whatever reason, your post clicked something in my brain, and made me realize that somewhere, one of those line-break things i mentioned was certainly the offending thread, and probably had an additional "sum" function in it.
sure enough, that was it.
totals are now correct through Vegeance (but not Raw or Smackdown), although the spreadsheet is probably nearly 100 columns wide, so i'm not sure if it's postable...
peace,
Tree
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| | | 80 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 312481619
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 09:45
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Thanks Tree and MIke D. Tree, if you want to send it back to me, I''l add this week's TV shows and post total wrestler scores like I did in post 69. I'll also keep it accurate for the rest of the season. I have an old friend staying with me this weekend but if someone will send me or point out some instructions for posting a spreadsheet, I'll start playing around with the best way to post it tomorrow night in Guru's test forum. Btw, have you tried getting it to sort for you?
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| | | 81 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 09:57
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MITH - the sorting seems to be working for me...it may have all tied into that original problem...
i'm in the midst of cleaning it up a tad more - don't worry, no freaky colors! LOL - and i'll send it off in a tiny bit....
peace,
Tree
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Donor
ID: 472520
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 09:59
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as for directions on posting it - mike d was who originally explained it to me, and my directions always end up convoluted, so he's the best one for that.
peace again, man is that getting old or what?
Tree
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| | | 83 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 331038201
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 14:23
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Same list, sorted...
-5 Raven
2 Josh Matthews
5 Al Snow
5 Chris Kanyon
5 Gillberg
5 Hot Lesbians
5 Jimmy Snuka
5 Lita
5 Little Cute Puppy10 White Boy #1
6 Coach
6 Michael Cole
7 Fabulous Moolah
7 Jimmy Hart
8 Animal
8 Erin Stevens
8 Hawk
8 John Walters10 White Boy #2
12 Brother Love
12 Doink The Clown
12 Easter Bunny
12 Eric Angle100 Ultimo Dragon
14 Kanyon
14 Shane McMahon
15 Shaniqua102 Bill DeMott
16 Sgt. Slaughter
17 Linda McMahon
17 Mae Young
19 Brooklyn Brawler
19 Bull Buchanon
19 Jackie Gayda
19 TE John
19 TE Matt
20 Conquistador #1
20 Conquistador #2
20 Mark Jindrak
30 Garrison Kade
36 Jim Ross
40 Crash Holly
47 A-Train
50 Mick Foley
56 Orlando Jordan
77 Nathan Jones
78 Tazz
90 Funaki
95 Edge
97 Dawn Marie
99 Dan Basham
99 Doug Basham
107 Ivory
110 Jacqueline
111 Molly Holly
111 Tommy Dreamer
113 D'Lo Brown1000 HHH
122 Teddy Long
123 Roddy Piper
124 Ron Simmons
126 Spike Dudley
127 Paul Heyman
135 Jerry Lawler
153 Gail Kim
154 Bradshaw
161 Steven Richards
164 Jamie Noble
165 Jamal
177 Chris Nowinski
179 Billy Gunn
185 Zach Gowan
188 Sean O'Haire
190 Batista
190 Sable
191 William Regal
209 Nidia
225 Rosey
227 Shannon Moore
237 Billy Kidman
241 Stacy Kiebler
248 Maven
253 Spanky
255 Goldust
256 Rico
263 Chuck Palumbo
263 Stephanie McMahon
266 Johnny Stamboli
268 Hulk Hogan
268 Jeff Hardy
271 Nunzio
273 Chavo Guerrero
287 Kevin Nash
290 Rikishi
307 Tajiri
331 Rodney Mack
332 Rock
345 Vince McMahon
346 Steve Austin
349 Rhyno
353 Hurricane
362 Sylvain Grenier
363 Morley/Venus
367 Rene Dupree
367 Victoria
379 Goldberg
391 Shawn Michaels
395 Lance Strom
398 D-Von Dudley
400 Jazz
412 Randy Orton
426 Torrie Wilson
447 Trish Stratrus
463 Bubba Ray Dudley
496 Eric Bischoff
504 Christian
509 Undertaker
535 Matt Hardy V1
539 Test
569 John Cena
575 Ric Flair
617 Rey Mysterio
619 Big Show
623 Scott Steiner
684 Kane
687 Kurt Angle
713 Chris Benoit
753 RVD
762 Chris Jericho
772 Eddie Guerrero
814 Booker T
889 Charlie Haas
897 Shelton Benjamin
976 Brock Lesnar
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| | | 84 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 331038201
Sat, Aug 02, 2003, 14:26
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oops, but you get the idea
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| | | 85 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 00:25
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ok guys, issues we gotta get serious on in voting for season two that have been brought up.
Post 17 of this thread has changes that have already been confirmed, although post 21 corrects post 17 on keepers.
cutting and pasting:
1. 8-person roster
2. 6 starters, 2 bench guys
3. 4 keepers, but not your top scorer.
draft order is determined as such:
A. using the eligible points of your four keepers, standings are determined. top team is in first, etc etc.
B. add your official finishing position to the number achieved in A.
C. divide that number by two, and the HIGHEST number draft first, and down the line. if there's a tie, it should be determined by standing position.
Things we have to vote on:
1. How "Top Scorer" is determined - Eligible points, or overall points.
2. errr...Trade Deadline? seems to me it oughta be NOW, and then we'll set a time for following seasons.
3. draft - when will it be, how long between picks, etc.
4. status of MNG - do we get a new manager, or just cut his team, and make everyone on it free agents for the draft.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 86 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 00:49
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1. Overall points.
2. Now, and set time for following seasons
3. draft - ok with anything, although slow draft would be great considering i work nights til September
4. status of MNG - new manager if we can; if not release his guys and put them in the draft
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| | | 87 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 01:06
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1. Eligible points, but willing to alter that for NEXT season.
2. Now, and perhaps the trade deadline should be the PPV before Wrestlemania, and Summerslam, respectively.
3. well, it should be a slow draft, but we realistically only have one weekend to get it done in - unless we're taking a whole week off after the post-summerslam smackdown.
even so, it's only a four round draft.
4. anyone know anyone who wants to take mng's spot?
peace,
Tree
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| | | 88 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 01:17
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my buddy (wiggs- sponge) is very interested in joining; i think he watches wrestling more than i do so he would be a good guy to take over.
would he start from the top or get MNG's roster?
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| | | 89 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 09:13
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I'd have no issue with Wiggs joining - i'm in a few other leagues with him, and as long as married life doesn't keep him occupied too much, i'd say it's a no-brainer to allow him in...
i'd say he gets MNG's roster, and decides who to keep.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 90 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 09:19
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Geez, and I thought wiggs was already in this league as Rolling Thunder.
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| | | 91 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 09:27
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LOL. well how about that. man, i think i need a second cup of coffee....
um, he is already in the league....LOL
now i'm really confused.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 92 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 09:28
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Phillies Rule (Adam H) would probably take MNGs team if needed.
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| | | 93 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 10:23
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hahah, my bad.
I was telling wiggs that it's my buddy, Sponge, who would take the team. He knows him from school.
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| | | 94 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 55635225
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 10:28
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I think farn was saying his buddy, then telling me it was sponge, that would take over. Dam tree, it is nice to know i made such a good impression in this league that you forgot all about me. :) Anyways my voting.
1. Overall Points
2. now is fine
3. would prefer a slow draft, say 2-4 hours between picks. People can leave queues so the thing keeps moving. Also if we use such a short time between picks we would have to have a dead time over night.
4. I would prefer dumping his team to increase the talent pool, but if people know someone that they think would take over the team and be a positive for the league that would be fine too.
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| | | 95 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 312481619
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 12:00
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1. Overall Points
2. Now.
3. Slow Draft. I was under the impression we were taking a week off.
4. I'd like to get a manager to replace him.
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| | | 96 | Tree
Donor
ID: 472520
Sun, Aug 03, 2003, 12:33
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on the week off - i couldn't remember. works for me! :o)
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| | | 97 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 7724916
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 00:50
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Echo MITH's votes.
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| | | 98 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 08:42
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That's 5 votes. Not very encouraging, there are 8 more managers.
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| | | 99 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 08:46
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I’m pretty much in agreement with yours MITH. Only questionable one for me is #1, where I can live with either overall or eligible points, as eligible is what I’ve been seeing all year.
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| | | 100 | kev
ID: 3155515
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 11:08
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As long as it is a slow draft, Im fine
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| | | 101 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 149272511
Mon, Aug 04, 2003, 14:28
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Ditto MITH #95
Cliff
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| | | 102 | mIST
ID: 5351150
Tue, Aug 05, 2003, 03:28
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1. Overall Points
2. Now.
3. Slow Draft, no hurry.
4. I'd like to get a manager to replace him.
(cut+paste :))
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| | | 103 | Great One
Donor
ID: 41740511
Thu, Aug 07, 2003, 16:33
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1. Overall Points
2. Now.
3. Slow Draft, no hurry.
4. I'd like to get a manager to replace him.
this sounds good to me...
I am in the process of moving the next few weeks though... just want everyone to know. But Summerslam isn't until the 24th, right? I should be settled by then.
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| | | 104 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 40029714
Fri, Aug 08, 2003, 10:39
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Sorry.
1. Overall points
2. 10 seconds after I get a 5th actual wrestler
3. I hate slow drafts but I'll be outvoted
4. Don't care, although I like increasing the player pool so I don't have to watch any more OVW.
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| | | 105 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Fri, Aug 08, 2003, 10:40
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Where do you watch OVW?
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| | | 106 | Tree
Donor
ID: 5749109
Sun, Aug 10, 2003, 10:55
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no kidding! fess up!
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| | | 107 | Tree
Donor
ID: 5749109
Sun, Aug 10, 2003, 11:01
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MITH - it appears we're leaning toward overall scoring....
if you want to resend the spreadsheet you've put together after adding this week's numbers, i'll post it - maybe you want to add team names to the players?
peace,
Tree
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| | | 108 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sun, Aug 10, 2003, 11:02
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I'm sure Hen meant "watch" as in keep an eye on it, via the web.
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| | | 109 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sun, Aug 10, 2003, 11:08
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Might be a good idea to start nailing down dates for a start to the draft, and get an idea as to what we are doing with the accumulated votes (ie. drafting, new manager, week off before season 2, etc)
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| | | 110 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Mon, Aug 11, 2003, 09:14
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I'll add in the new numbers (through last week) and send it to you tonight. I don't think team names are all that relevant at this stage, since your sheets break down complete team scoring. I'd be happy to be responsible for posting the overall scoring every week for season 2 and leave you to tracking the teams and standings as you have been doing.
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| | | 111 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Mon, Aug 11, 2003, 12:25
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Let me take this moment to thank Tree, MITH and mIST especially for doing so much recordkeeping for the league. It's appreciated guys. It's been a fun year....especially when I kick all of your asses! hahahahaha
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| | | 112 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 12, 2003, 16:13
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Shut up dumbass.
I probably have the worst 2nd place team in history. I need to tank.
Yes, thanks to all you guys who've worked on this league. It's been a lot more fun than the last one.
And, what, you don't get OVW every week at 7PM on UPN? Really?
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| | | 113 | blue hen
Leader
ID: 710321114
Tue, Aug 12, 2003, 16:13
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Uh, just kidding.
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| | | 114 | Tree, also @ work
Donor
ID: 599393013
Tue, Aug 12, 2003, 16:47
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schmuck.
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| | | 115 | Tree
Donor
ID: 237521521
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 00:41
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ugh...this total points thing is just really irritating me. i drafted Randy Orton - he's been injured most of the year. but because he comes on strong at the end, and my gut feeling is that he'll be in a feud for the world title, if not the world champion, as this season ends, i get screwed. lame lame lame. :o)
peace,
Tree
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| | | 116 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 7822711
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 09:44
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hahahah
my team has been consistent: consistently bad all season long. :)
are we ready to start season 2 right after summerslam? and if so what are we doing with the extra team? is Summerslam a week from tonight?
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| | | 117 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 10:08
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Tree you do realize that there is a greater distance between Bubba and Orton in total points than in your active points, right? If you're suggesting that you would just bench Orton for the last week to ensure you keep him, realize that one of the reasons for tracking total points is to prevent that very strategy. Reralize that if Orton has that huge of a night and week, you could potentially leapfrog Great One and myself into 6th place - a final push in the last week that would be far more exciting and beneficial to the league than if we had 75% of the top talent benched for Summerslam, the final week of the season.
We need to decide what to do with the last team. Those who voted chose 5 - 1 to try to replace him. If that sponge person wants a team, he should post. I'm considering posing a first come invite on the baseball forum.
Also, Blue Hen suggested shortening the point difference between a win and a loss. I'm all for that. Unless someone has a concrete idea, I'll put a proposal together in a new thread so that it gets seen by as many as possible. If someone else would rather do it, please do it in a new thread.
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| | | 118 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 10:14
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Check with Sponge, if not, Adam H/Phillies Rule would take the team. He's attending Unforgiven with me in September.
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| | | 119 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 27735145
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 10:15
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adam is a good baseball manager. I am in a league with him. He is active.
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| | | 120 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 10:42
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Well hopefully one of them will post and claim the vacant team.
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| | | 121 | AdamH
ID: 41710121
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 13:03
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Mike D had told me about it and if there is an open team, I'd be interested in taking over it. I didn't read the whole thread (not enough time right now), but if the basic rules and scoring are listed here, I'd appreciate knowing which post had it.
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| | | 123 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 7724916
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 15:37
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Hey Adam--welcome to the league.
If there's a silver lining to the team you're inheriting, it's that it is in line (I believe) to get the first overall pick. Everyone's top scorer must be placed back into the league, so you'll have the likes of Lesnar and HHH to choose from.
Great job MITH giving him all of the pertinent links.
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| | | 124 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 7516100
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 16:30
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He gets the number 1 pick AND Gail Kim?
Mmmmmm. Tasty.
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| | | 125 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 16:50
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Right - another detail I forgot to mention is that rather than a draft that is a simple reverse - order of the final standings, we weigh it to also consider the strength of the keepers for each team. Here's the formula:draft order is determined as such:
A. using the eligible points of your four keepers, standings are determined. top team is in first, etc etc.
B. add your official finishing position to the number achieved in A.
C. divide that number by two, and the HIGHEST number draft first, and down the line. if there's a tie, it should be determined by standing position. Also, in digging for the thread in which the system was decided upon, I realize that I had forgotten that we also voted to start 6 wrestlers per week for season 2. I'd forgotten all about that, so I'm glad I was digging through this stuff today.
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| | | 126 | AdamH
ID: 41710121
Sun, Aug 17, 2003, 22:49
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Thanks guys...I'll see Mike D tomorrow and get the scoop on everything. I'm still finishing up moving and organizing a lot of crap with a divorce and all, so I've been pretty pre-occupied this weekend and my internet time has been limited.
I appreciate the invite to play and the "welcomes"
Adam
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| | | 127 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 4073619
Tue, Aug 19, 2003, 08:47
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Welcome aboard Adam.
Cliff
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| | | 128 | Great One
Donor
ID: 48734199
Tue, Aug 19, 2003, 10:37
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I am in my new house in Woodbridge, NJ... welcome back to the north...
and welcome to you Adam...
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| | | 129 | Daniel
ID: 77581621
Sat, Aug 23, 2003, 22:16
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hey guys, are there any more spots open in your league? i am very interested in joining.
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| | | 130 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Mon, Aug 25, 2003, 20:28
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Given that the season effictively ends with tomorrow night's Smackdown taping, we should probably establish a waiver claim cutoff at least 48 hours before the draft starts. When does the draft start?
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| | | 131 | Tree
Donor
ID: 367422519
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 07:05
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well, we're taken all next week off, correct?
and it's only a...err..what did we establish?
i feel like we are maintaining an 8-person roster, but going to six active wrestlers.
so, since we have four keepers, it's only a four-round draft, and i see no reason why we can't start it this weekend.
it's been crazy busy with my girl coming back into town, and preparing for football drafts, so i think i'm behind and haven't posted LAST weeks standings...
i may just bypass that, and post the final standings, and then use that formula i came up with in some ancient thread to figure the draft order.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 132 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 217351118
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 07:13
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Tree,
Check posts 122 and 125. That should bring most everything up to date. Correct on 6 starters. Agree with starting this weekend, say Friday night? Saturday morning?
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| | | 133 | Tree
Donor
ID: 367422519
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 07:30
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well, i think since it's only a four-round draft, and everyone is active, it oughta just kinda...well, go...
i say we start saturday - as soon as i post the final standings and the weighted draft order....
we also need your cumulative results. so we know who we CANT keep.
peace,
Tree
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| | | 134 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 08:29
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I'll have them posted by Friday evening.
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| | | 135 | Mike D
Donor
ID: 38044119
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 08:39
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We need to form our list of keepers shortly after you remind us how to do it. Then we can post the list of non-keepers. Then we can draft.
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| | | 136 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 11:24
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Sounds good you guys.
And congrats to all on a fun, successful, active season.
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| | | 137 | Mattinglyinthehall
Sustainer
ID: 1629107
Tue, Aug 26, 2003, 14:03
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It looks like the following wrestlers will be the top scorers on each of their respective teams, and thus must be dropped and made available for the draft:
Brock
HHH
Charlie Haas (currently leads Benjamin by 12 points - if they should finish in a tie, I'd propose to let Blue Hen decide who he drops)
Booker T
Eddie Guerrero
Chris Jericho
Rob Van Dam
Kurt Angle
Scott Steiner
Rey Mysterio
John Cena
Randy Orton
Everone picks 4 wrestlers to keep from the seven remaining names on their roster. I'll make a thread for it after the Smackdown showing Thursday night.
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| | | 138 | Tree
Donor
ID: 599393013
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 15:04
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Draft - question - is this a straight draft, or a snake draft - did we ever decide?
peace,
Tree
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| | | 139 | Species
Sustainer
ID: 569221717
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 16:24
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Why wouldn't it be snake just like last year?
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| | | 140 | Tree
Donor
ID: 599393013
Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 17:32
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i dunno. i was just asking.
a snake is done to level the playing field when no one has any players, and everyone is starting from zero.
a regular draft is done to help a tad with parity - especially in a league like this where the talent pool can be thin.
i see it like this, in a thin talent pool league:
1. snake draft - the guy with picks 12 and 13 (league champion) has an advantage over the guy with picks 1 and 24 (league cellar dwellar).
2. regular draft - the guy with picks 1 and 13 (cellar dwellar) has an advantage over the guy with picks 12 and 24 (league champion), and that's how the rest of the world does it. :o)
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| | | 141 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 18:18
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I don't know if I agree with that assessment, given the importance of the 1st round in this draft compared with every other round. In this draft, I'd take Brock, HHH or Angle and the #24 pick over whatever is available at 12 & 13. But as far as the rest of the draft is concerned, I agree. I'm fine with either way, but I'll do some research to see if we made any concrete decisions. I believe the idea was discussed, not sure if any decision was made.
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| | | 142 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 18:47
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OK, it looks like the only time snake vs straight draft was discussed for season 2 was posts 14 & 15 in this thread. Not much discourse, so I'd understand if some people want to take the issue up, but it's pretty late at this point.
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| | | 143 | Species
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Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 18:50
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While it's true I'd much rather have the #12 and #13 picks over #12 and #24 picks, MITH's point is the one I would make. I think we all can see that you have to have stud horses at the top of your roster in order to compete, and me getting the bottom of the barrel in terms of the non-keepers makes a HUGE difference over those who can get a Brock/Angle/HHH level guy.
HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE
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| | | 144 | GoatLocker
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Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 19:18
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I think a regular draft is the way to go, but again that would probably be in my favor to boost my position in season II.
Cliff
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Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 19:21
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In any keeper league I have been in, no snake has been used after year 1. Guys like Species/Goatlocker have good teams already. Teams who were bad, need the help. It balances out the league not to have a snake draft, and makes sense.
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| | | 146 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Fri, Aug 29, 2003, 19:29
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OK then I think we should vote on it, but have to do it quickly. What do we need, 7 votes to change a rule? I think we should consider the rule to be a snake as of now. I seemed pretty certain about it in post 15, but you guys may have persuaded me. Not sure, I'll vote later tonight. Hopefully enough people will check this, I'd like to get the draft started by Tuesday at the latest. Someone wanna start a "Draft Order Proposal" thread?
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| | | 147 | Great One
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Sun, Aug 31, 2003, 21:16
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I am somewhere in the middle of the draft order I would guess, but I think a regular draft makes the most sense in this situation - with respect to leveling the playing field.
Some rosters - like Adam H's - are just horrific.
I have been out of touch, can someone quickly let me know when the new draft is anyway? I will go though all the threads and look around, but if someone could let me know while I am poking around...
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| | | 148 | Mike D
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Sun, Aug 31, 2003, 21:40
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Looking like Tuesday night
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