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Subject: WWE Season II Draft Discussion (cont)

  Posted by: Mike D - Donor [23715270] Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 07:05
MITH on the clock.
 
1Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 07:15 		Second consecutive pick of a wrestler that I do not like.
 
2Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 23715270
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 07:18 		Yeah, that's like when I took Billy Gunn in year 1. Waived him later. Didn't like him to begin with. Why I was very pleased to get RVD in this draft, and I'm even a long time Lance Storm fan from "It's Not For Everyone" ECW days......
 
3Great One
      Donor
      ID: 15831310
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 07:45 		I didn't even realize O'Hare was available. He is one of my favorites... hopefully Kev will want to move him...
 
4GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 08:22 		I am so pissed.
All that waiting and I thought he would get back to me, and MITH picks him for Kev.
Drat.

Cliff
 
5Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 08:30 		Felt okay reaching for Hardy now that I have 6 scorers ahead of him. I can afford to wait and see. Continuing my run of former ECDubers.
 
6Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 08:47 		i may be working til 8 or 9 tonight, is there anyone who can take my cell #?
 
7 Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 08:50 		You can e-mail it to me at work bro. I'm here until 4:30. Then I'm away a few hours for sports practice.
 
8Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 09:07 		Mike D- Emailing you my cell # in a second.

But I send wiggs a queue to both his hotmail addy and his college email. So, if he makes his pick direct him to my queue and he should be able to make mine as well. I will send you my cell as a backup incase both emails go down.
 
9Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 09:13 		Got it bro and responded to confirm. I'll let wiggs handle the pressure. ;)
 
10Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 09:23 		Team Bret Hart on the clock (after they update their weekly Calgary Sun article)
 
11Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 09:25 		wow, appears as though wiggs is working today even with his back problems.

He likely won't pick til mid afternoon if that's the case.
 
12Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 09:28 		We only have one round left, right? Will be done soon………
 
13Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 10:33 		From Prowrestlingscoops.com:
It now appears that on every month the show not having the PPV will run what they call a "Big TV" show. For example two months ago, RAW had their "Hollywood" show and in two weeks Smackdown! will have their big show of the month and then begin to build towards the PPV. Basically the WWE wants to air one episode that is somewhat close to "PPV Quality" to help build interest in a few matches.
Kudos to WWE if true, which it appears to be.
 
14Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 10:57 		So far so good MITH. That Smackdown show is looking pretty impressive from what I read previously.
 
15kev
      ID: 3155515
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:04 		I had O'Haire next on my que list, then got drunk and thought I would pick Maven, then I saw him bolded and taken, so I was like, hey, Bradshaw, he is cool...lets take him....

MITH saved me. O'Haire was high on my list.
 
16Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:30 		Cool. I'm really glad that you hadn't changed your mind and decided you didn't want him.
 
17Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:35 		MITH----making logical arguments in football is not wise when dealing with one Jerry Lewis. He is best avoided, IMHO. Brace yourself. ;)
 
18Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:40 		Agreed. You only need check the 45 previous posts in that thread to see that. Call me argumentive.
 
19Species
      Sustainer
      ID: 569221717
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:54 		bh must've been drinking away his sorrows after being screwed in every aspect of this draft....because even on West Coast time his lazy a$$ hasn't picked yet.
 
20Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:58 		um, mike...when was Jeff Hardy in ECW?
 
21Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:58 		Before WWE bro.
 
22Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 11:59 		He was known as Sabu. Lol

Wasn’t he there? Now it’s gonna bother me.
 
23Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 12:15 		i'm about 99.9 percent sure jeff hardy was never in ECW. here's a decent all-time roster, although i'm not sure if it's complete...

ECW Roster 1994-2001
 
24Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 12:21 		I don't see even a brief stop in this profile either. My bad. Maybe I should trade him. ;)
 
25Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 13:12 		considering the way Jeff Hardy got booed out of the building a couple months ago at Ring of Honor in New Jersey, i doubt we'll see him in the WWE anytime soon.

some of it is by his choice, but he was awful in the ring. definitely rusty, and almost uncaring...
 
26Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 13:13 		...he was awful in the ring. definitely rusty, and almost uncaring...

I didn't see it, but that's not much different from what I would say about his work in WWE right before he left.
 
27Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 13:31 		bh must've been drinking away his sorrows after being screwed in every aspect of this draft....because even on West Coast time his lazy a$$ hasn't picked yet.

There are still two more rounds in which for us to continue to screw him. He or Mach had better get one of their lazy arses over to the draft thread.
 
28Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 13:33 		well, this was atrocious. he ran to the ring, leaped onto the second rope like he always did in the WWE, and immediately slipped off and fell.

worse, he was trying to boost up his protege Krazy Kat, who currently has as much business being in the ring as any of us do.

it was awful - although, the sadistic part of me was really enjoying all the young girls who came to see him, who left bawling their eyes out because the booing was ceaseless.
 
29Species
      Sustainer
      ID: 569221717
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 14:05 		Can someone take my queue? I might be largely unavailable this afternoon....

Thanks.
 
30 Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 14:14 		Send it my way
 
31Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 14:41 		So now that we’ve established Jeff Hardy’s value is at a high, I think I’ll just keep him. He’s off the block.

Seriously, with his large fan base, ongoing big t-shirt sales, etc, he’s worth a shot on my bench especially this late. He could have a Guerrero-like return, where he cleans up and re-establishes himself. He would then have PPV potential in both singles and tag action. Considering the remaining pool, seemed like a nice gamble.

Maybe we’ll see the return of Team Extreme (is that where I dreamt his ECW action up?).
 
32Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 14:57 		Ahh... We are moving!

-Eddie Murphy, Trading Places
 
33Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 15:54 		AdamH is up.
 
34Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 16:00 		E-mailed him about 30 minutes ago.......
 
35Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 17:19 		Mike D - FWIW, Jeff Hardy still is in the top 10 for merchandise sales in the WWE - 6 months after he's been gone.

i really don't think it's an issue of him cleaning up. he just has other interests. he's got a band going on. he'd rather race motocross. he doesn't like the daily grind of wrestling, and he doesn't like the BS locker rooms.

and completely unrelated to any of this, i'm listening to the new record by Atmosphere, which comes out in about 3 weeks. it's one of the best damned records i've heard in a looooooooooooong time....buy the sucka bitch, and if you download, i'm coming to your house to kick your ass.
 
36Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 17:20 		damnit species, you took my next pick you bitch.
 
37 Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 17:37 		guys, i honestly have no clue who my next pick is because i thought Paul London would certainly be around, but i'm outta here in about 20 minutes, then having dinner with my girl...i'm second up...if someone sees this before 6 p.m. and wants to take a queue, shoot me an email...
 
38 Species
      Sustainer
      ID: 569221717
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 18:03 		Well Tree, I just knew you would pick London if I didn't......I figured, for once I would go with "potential" vs. some veteran jobber. I read he had his first match with OVW, so maybe in 3 months he could see some WWE action - maybe fueding with Rey/Ultimo for the Cruiserweight title.

Oh....and send me a queue if you're still there.
 
39Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 19:19 		What's Atmosphere like? Is this their first album?

Season 2 ends at Wrestlemania? That makes sense, right? And Season 3 will end in Summerslam '04? The seasons will be a little uneven, but I don't see why that matters at all.

 
40AdamH
      ID: 41710121
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 19:32 		I'm here now guys...sorry 'bout 'dat...will pick in a few minutes
 
41Species
      Sustainer
      ID: 569221717
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 19:41 		No queue from Tree guys........sorry.

And now I am out for 4+ hours.
 
42Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 23715270
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 20:51 		Hey thanks again Tree for helping establish Hardy's value at an all time high. But like I said, I ain't tradin' him.
 
43Great One
      Donor
      ID: 15831310
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 21:02 		Atmosphere? My favorite new band FAR AND AWAY is called Brand New - (other then the White Stripes of course)
 
44Great One
      Donor
      ID: 15831310
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 21:04 		And I wanted Paul London very much.
London and Edge were the two guys I wanted sitting on my bench, I am very disappointed.
 
45Tree
      Donor
      ID: 283656
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 21:51 		i'm here - will pick in a few...

Atmosphere has other stuff out - on the Rhymesayers label. this is their first release on Epitaph. i call it backpacker rap - basically, underground hip hop - great rhymes, great beats, great samples, no bull$hit.

i think season two ends after smackdown after WM....
 
46 AdamH
      ID: 41710121
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 22:05 		Ahhh...just got done watching "The Ladies Man"

I am like Mother Theresa...only of boning.

Great movie...thanks Mike D
 
47Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 22:32 		Great One is up.
 
48Great One
      Donor
      ID: 15831310
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 22:41 		absolutely unbelievable... Shaniqua is the one I wanted last round... she lasts the entire round, and then Farn takes her right before me. I have had the worst draft. This sucks... :(
 
49Great One
      Donor
      ID: 15831310
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 22:43 		Farn, you have too many women anyway... anyone else you were considering that you would trade this pick for? somebody made your pick... that means you aren't even around to answer that question!!! agh....
 
50Great One
      Donor
      ID: 15831310
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 22:46 		I have no one left on my draft card...
 
51Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 23:15 		Cool, that brings it to mist who will pick sometime overnight and then the rest of the weekend to finish the last half round.
 
52Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 23:37 		Sorry Great One. She is the one I wanted last round when I wanted your pick.

I am not likely to give her up. I will store her on my bench until she gets the Gail Kim push she has in her future.
 
53Great One
      Donor
      ID: 15831310
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 23:53 		figures... :)
 
54Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Fri, Sep 05, 2003, 23:54 		well, you can always try to offer me something, but it would have to sway me totally.
 
55Tree
      Donor
      ID: 283656
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 08:26 		post 133 in this thread leaves me cause for concern.

MITH - did Mist not leave any sort of queue with you?

if he didn't, then i think we've got a tough decision to make - and since i'm leaving in a couple hours for Boston to see Raven vs. CM Punk in a cage, it's y'alls call.

1. do we skip Mist, and let everyone else pick.

2. if everyone who's picking after mist was gonna have their next pick relegated to the bench anyway, i see no reason to skip Mist.

also - if he's truly away from the computer:

1. we set mists roster for him, being logical and fair about it, for this first week.

2. we let him zero it out.

talk amongst yourselves...

peace,
Tree
 
56Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 09:05 		if no one after mist needs their pick then i say just wait til he arrives. if someone does then we skip him and he picks when he returns.

and yeah, we can set his roster accordingly for him. i doubt he could argue because if he don't he would take a 0 for the week.
 
57Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 10:37 		I have no que from Mist. I don't know what to do. My initial tendency was to agree with Farn, but really this is really irresponsible on Mists part. I'm not sure if we can pick for him, since we have no idea whether he would go with someone who might be able to get him consistant but limited points, someone he hopes might get a big push in the coming weeks/months or a prospect. There are a good number of each category left. I have to run out for 20 or 30 min or so. Hopefully other people are around and will give their $0.02.
 
58GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 11:00 		Based on what I can find, this was mIST's last post.

mIST
ID: 5351150
Thu, Sep 04, 2003, 10:48
The fact is that tomorrow night I will leave for my last week of vacation, then I'll have to leave my picks to MITH. Today I can check the site until... let's say within 7-8 hours

My thought is we make the pick for him so we can finish and then set his roster for week one afterwards.
He can always use the waiver wire to make changes.
Any number of things could have happened to keep him from sending a queue.
By doing this we are up and running for season 2.

Cliff
 
59Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 11:26 		Hmmm, here is Mists squad so far:
Test
Bradshaw
Undertaker
Chuck Palumbo
John Cena
Mick Foley
Mark Henry

I don't feel that I or anyone who has a pick remaining in this round should be able to make this pick for mist. I've been crossing my fingers for who I have planned as my next pick since last round and it would be wrong of me not to choose who I consider the best available remaining option for him, even if I do think it's a sleeper.
 
60GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 11:35 		1. We can have somebody who is already done drafting i.e. tree pick for him.
2. Or we can leave it open and let him fill from the Waiver Wire when he gets back.
3. Or, we can wait and finish the draft after he gets back if everybody left has enough starters for week one.

I personally prefer 1 or 2.

Cliff
 
61Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 11:46 		I think I prefer #1, but I'd want to hear from other Gurupies before I do anything. Another time when having a commish would help. We'll have to establish some more strict draft rules for Season 3.
 
62GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 11:53 		Understand MITH, I'm throwing out thoughts and hoping we get more responses.

Cliff
 
63Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 11:59 		Agreed.
 
64Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 12:00 		One problem of course is that I think this is most fairly handled be people who have already completed theirdraft (positions 1 thru 6). But since they have completed the draft, they are less likely to bother to check in.
 
65Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 23715270
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 12:32 		Just checking in and reading this. I feel it is best to skip mIST and let him go a man short. He can make his pick whenever he returns. It would not be a waiver pick, but a draft pick, even if it is after the season starts. This is typical of slow drafts where someone does not leave a queue or show up.

 
66GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 12:38 		In agreement with Mike D's comment, we could block waiver wire choices until mIST is back and finishes his draft.

Cliff
 
67Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 12:42 		OK fair enough. I'm going to pick.
 
68Species
      Sustainer
      ID: 7724916
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 15:19 		Agree with MikeD.....he can pick whomever he wants upon his return.
 
69Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 20:04 		Before we bid Hen & Mach farewell (or good riddance - as the case may be for some) I think they have indicated they might choose to stay around.
 
70GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 20:30 		That's what I thought earlier, but his comments in the draft thread seem to be very counter to that.

Doesn't matter to me.

If they go, we do need to find a manager quickly.

Cliff
 
71Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 23715270
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 20:30 		We have one lined up.
 
72Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sat, Sep 06, 2003, 20:34 		My mistake, I didn't read his post. OK, lets get someone in. I assume from BH's post that Mach isn't interested in taking over. Wiggs and AdamH have both posted that they know someone. If either of them could get their friend to post or if anyone else has anyone in mind, lets hear it.
 
73Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 09:06 		What the hell went on with all those old threads BUTTed at 4:30 this morning? We still need a replacement for Blue Hen. In the meantime, we should figure out who he's starting incase someone doesn't take the team today.

Here's his roster:
The Rock
Lita
Sylvan Grenier
Shelton Benjamin
Booker T
Farooq
Rob Conway
Ivory

I would tend to assume he would bench Lita and Booker T, since as far as I now, neither of them is ready to return from their respective injuries.
 
74Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 23715270
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 09:55 		Agreed.
 
75wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27830218
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 11:58 		sounds good to me MITH
 
76Tree
      Donor
      ID: 4380711
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 12:17 		wait..i'm confused....

i went to wrestling, was away for 24 hours, all these threads butted so i dont really know what is new....

and now Mach and BH have decided to leave after all?? i thought they were staying!?!? huh?
 
77Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 12:24 		Tree

They never did say they were staying, but I had assumed it too. I don't know what the deal is with those threads. Someone went in at 4:30 in the morning, butted them, then deleted the BUTT posts. Doesn't matter, you can see which ones by looking at the last post from the General Fantasy Sports index, and I've butted all the relevant current threads.

We should discuss the handling of the scorekeeping. I'm fine with continuing how we left off last season, you doing the standings, me the total scoring.

How was the show?
 
78wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 27830218
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 12:27 		I also tried to post some scores when i got a chance. I am better off doing RAW scores though because Smackdown comes on at different times each week and i miss it alot of time. If the mets are on the interupt smackdown, sooner or later they will stop playing minor league baseball games on TV. Just kidding Tree.
 
79Tree
      Donor
      ID: 4380711
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 12:48 		LOL. wiggs - you and the other yankee fans are just jealous because now you have the second best shortstop in the City...

yea, i'm a bit disappointed in BH, but i guess on the internet, you gain expectations of people, and then their true self shows....fu(k him, his loss, bitchass.

as for the league - i'm fine posting the scoring, and i've designed a new, cleaner (at least i think so) score sheet that will track not just "eligible" points, but also "ineligble" points, so we'll be able to see weekly updates on the points that count in the standings, and the points that count toward keepers and such.

there is a core spreadsheet which will contain these numbers on a weekly basis - i'm not going to post that every week, because it's an extremely wide file - probably about 80 columns wide. so i will either post it upon request, or maybe, if people really do want to see it every week, i will put it in a seperate thread.

the main stats to be posted include:
standings
top 20 weekly scorers
top 20 eligible point scorers
the new score sheet

i'd like to point out, because i'm cranky and exhausted because i got home around 5:30 a.m. from the boston wrestling trip (more on that in the next post) and i hate coming back to this league to find out we had a really little bitch here who's not even worthy of the closing sequence of the fifth Jay and Silent Bob movie, that one of the reasons i redesigned the main score sheet to read better top-to-bottom as opposed to right-to-left because BLUE BALLS HEN complained it was hard to read on some monitors.

so once again Hen, and i really can't say this enough - maybe after some more coffee and my Cowboys beat the Falcons today i'll regret saying some of this - but fu(k you kind sir, have fun jerking off.
 
80Tree
      Donor
      ID: 4380711
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 13:11 		the boston wrestling show....

it was Ring of Honor, the organization i've been raving about.

Colt Cabana vs. Jimmy Rave opened it up - I really like Colt Cabana. he's got a really great personality and with some breaks, could be a star. extremely charismatic - and apparently, that's an extension of his real life.

talking to CM Punk before the show, he told a great story about what it's like to travel with Cabana - really funny stuff - if anyone cares, say so, and i'll try and retell the tale, but it won't be nearly as good. related to this Punk is a great guy, REALLY amazing with the fans, posing for pictures, talking to everyone, really honest and open.

Slyk Wagner Brown vs. Diablo Santiago. i hate Brown. i need to say that. he's from the boston area, and since this was a boston area show, the crowd loved him. he's got a decent enough persona, but his stamina sucks, and i've never seen a match where he didn't blow up within 5 minutes and start blowing moves and holds. Santiago works hard, but is green, and is actually part of Ring of Honor's ring set-up crew. I enjoyed this match because i got to boo brown and yell how much he sucks. :o)

next was a tag-team scramble match, something RoH kind of invented - hard to explain the rules, but essentially, this one was four teams, and a new guy enters the ring not just with a tag (and you can tag anyone on any team), but if one of both "legal" wrestlers somehow leave the ring to brawl or fall out or whatever.

the four teams were Joel and Jose Maximo (the SAT - i used to really like them, but the more they wrestle, the worse they get, which is bad), Johnny Kashmere and Trent Acid (the Backseat Boyz - these guys work hard and have great personality), Special K (gimmick is that they are rich kid ravers, and as stupid as it is, it actually works - there are like 10 guys in this group, and they all look the same to me), and Dunn & Marcos (The Ring Crew Express - these guys actually are the main guys who set up the ring, they do kind of a wayne and garth gimmick, and it rocks) - Backseats won, and it was fun.

John Walters vs. Matt Stryker - solid enough match, Walters lost even though he was a home town boy, and so i had fun booing the guy.

i should note that the crowd was awful. dead. dead. dead. dead. at one point i screamed out "This isn't a f*cking Patriots game! make some g*ddamned noise!!!" and everyone broke out laughing.

next up was a "grudge" match with 3 other guys from Special K against the Carnage Crew, which is HC Loc (the former "extreme" official from ECW), Devito (half of da Baldies with Angel in ECW), and Justin Credible.

it was a good entertaining match, but nothing special.

next was Mark Briscoe vs. BJ Whitmer. great match, both of these guys are really strong wrestlers.

after that was Acid vs. Homicide in a grudge match. super match, lots of heat, Homicide legit busted his nose, and this guys seem to be starting a solid feud, even though Acid is part of a strong tag team.

next was the match of the night - ROH Champion Samoa Joe vs. NWA Champion AJ Styles vs. Jay Briscoe vs. former NWA X champion Chris Sabin. Stip of that match was that if Joe pinned someone, that person would NEVER get a RoH title shot, and that anyone else who got the pin would get a title shot at a future card.

surprisingly Briscoe won - my guess is that since both the Briscoes just quit college football (2 months ago they "retired" from wrestling to play football, but i guess they decided they enjoyed wrestling more) to return to wrestling, they're getting a huge push toward the now vacant Tag Team title.

all four of the above guys can really work. Styles and Samoa Joe are just so great, they defy words.

finally, was the cage match between raven and punk. sadly, the match didn't work out. i'm a big fan of both these guys, but sometimes, things just don't click.

they seemed to rely too much on the weapons in the ring, and some were really lame - like plastic serving trays.

i think both guys were probably disappointed in the match as well, but they really gave it their effort, but seemed lost once the weapons ran out, which was probably 5 minutes into the 30 minutes match.

still, i won't ever criticize guys who bust their ass and bleed so i can be entertained. if you've got no business being in the ring because your skils suck, that's one thing. but raven and punk can't ever be accused of that, so i'm sure they'll bounce back next time.

btw - raven won, but then the lights went out and Punk and Cabana tied raven to a crucifix-style X (Punk is legit straight-edge, hence the X), and wrapped him in barbed wire.

i think i see where this is going...hmmm...

also - before the card, when talking to Punk, he said it was his first steel cage match - which surprised me - and maybe that contributed to the odd pacing of the match....

that's all folks...i think...

 
81GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 17:08 		Thanks Tree.
Really appreciate the commentary.

Sounds like you had a great time.

Cliff
 
82Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 20:28 		How is the initial waiver priority set?
 
83Great One
      Donor
      ID: 15831310
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 20:35 		I believe that MY ENTIRE ROSTER is available.

check out my team and makes some offers....
 
84Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 20:54 		Am I correct in assuming that Mist will not have access in a week? Here'shis roster:

Test
Bradshaw
Undertaker
Chuck Palumbo
John Cena
Mick Foley
Mark Henry
(vacancy)

His lineup pretty much sets itself. I'll post it.
 
85Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 20:58 		Re post 82
For season 1 (iirc), we waited a few weeks and and then set the priority according to the reverse-order of the standings at that time. Does that work for everyone or does anyone have a different idea? If we go that route, I propose we wait until the week 3 results are final, and set it then.
 
86wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 13812714
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 21:03 		mith, that idea is fine.

my thoughts were reverse order of the draft, but it doesnt really matter to me.

I also had a thought about free agent pick ups. What if we have to email our claim to someone that has a worse priority then we do. That way if someone picked up someone everyone wouldnt know about it and then someone couldnt steal someone. Just a thought.
 
87Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 217351118
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 21:19 		I'm personally against that. I prefer the process be public, but by all means propose it if you think it's a good idea.
 
88Tree
      Donor
      ID: 4380711
      Sun, Sep 07, 2003, 21:55 		i prefer the more secret waivers idea, because that's how the waivers work in the yahoo game - and it prevents people from blocking you, or even perhaps using information you know to improve their team.
 
89Mike D
      Donor
      ID: 38044119
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 10:26 		Rec'd word that the guy we thought would take the open team decided against it. Therefore, there is still an opening. We can always start a thread on the baseball/football boards about it.
 
90Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:02 		I left a note with my friend to see if he wanted to grab the reins. i will let you know when he replies.
 
91Species
      Sustainer
      ID: 569221717
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:29 		But how is this "secret waivers" process administered? It's hard enough getting guys to play and contribute - but someone would have to track this process.

I for one am against it.
 
92Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 11:36 		Species hits on the same reason I oppose it. I think this is a great idea in theory, like the suggestion of varried points for vignettes, but sounds too complex to enact. Some of our "active" managers go weeks without posting. Not that that isn't the case with every fantasy league I've been in, but in a league where to managers had the same wrestler for the last six weeks of the season and nobody noticed until we were about to start the draft for season 2, I think we should keep it simple.
 
93Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 13:28 		Ok, my buddy Sponge is happy to take the team.

He has the link and will read as much as he can to catch up. Maybe he will even say hello.
 
94Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 13:42 		cool for Sponge. he's not allowed to rename the team though, unless it's "Team Blue Hen is a big fat bitch, a big fat bitch, a big fat bitch, Blue hen is a big fat bitch, a big fat bitch, a big fat bitch"

:o)
 
95Mattinglyinthehall
      Sustainer
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 13:45 		Tree you know I'm getting a little sick of you holding back on Blue Hen.
 
96Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 13:53 		LOL. sorry, i've never been real good at biting my tongue. :o)
 
97Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 7822711
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 15:12 		Tree, could you possibly let us know how exactly you feel about the esteemed blue hen?


Sponge may or may not squeeze a post in tonight. I believe he read the scoring rules and such and is aware of his roster for week 1 but doesn't need to update it because Lita and Booker are benched and they are both currently out.

 
98GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 15:25 		Well, welcome aboard Sponge.

Cliff
 
99wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 13812714
      Mon, Sep 08, 2003, 15:44 		Ssssssppppoooonnnnnngggggeeee!!! Whats up dude, long time no talk.
 
100wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 10:45 		anyone heard from adam H, he hasnt submitted a line up in about 3 months. Is he still interested in playing?
 
101Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 10:47 		good point wiggs. We may have 2 openings because I am disappointed in Sponge's lack of participation.

So if you know interested in people not named whiny hen feel free to let us know.
 
102Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 10:48 		I know someone who might be interested who I think would be an asset to the league.
 
103wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 10:53 		who is it mith? someone from the boards?
 
104Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 10:57 		No a guy I work with. He's an old school fan. In any case, I don't think Adam H should be invited back. I do not believe he has ever even posted on his own in the General Fantasy Sports forum.
 
105wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 11:03 		fine by me, it was kind of what i was getting at, but in a round about way.

I just ran the stats for this week for tree, sponge put up a huge 5 points for the entire week. Right there alone should be reason enough to look for a replacement.
 
106Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 11:10 		well, lets be fair wiggs. he can't help it when his guys don't appear on a show. and with your guys eating up 90% of the points there aren't that many to go around. :)


he can't help it he has Rock, who won't return til Wrestlemania time. Same with Foley. Or that he has Lita and Benjamin who just plain didn't appear. That's just bad luck.

I am mad because I am not even sure he checks in. And I would say something, but frankly if he doesn't pay attention I don't want to force him, I just want to find a replacement.
 
107wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 11:15 		well Farn, your guys ate up more of the show this week then mine did, but we wont go there.

I dont believe that Grenier is even still on the active roster, yet he remains in the line up. There are some free agents out there that could be picked up to score some minor points just to let us know he is still active, or maybe make a trade to get some active players. I doubt he even knows that the rock made an appearance last week because he hasnt submitted a line up in over a month. Last one was week 14 december 8th.
 
108Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 11:20 		I'd be open to keeping Sponge if;
a) he posts and expresses both a continued interest in the league and his word that he will be more involved for season 3
b) the rest of the league agrees.

At least he has posted from time to time and as recently as a month ago.
 
109Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 11:21 		he does know about the rock.

how did my guys eat up more show? yes, i do have eddie, and he ate up about 20 minutes total. big show took another 7 or so. who else?

How did my points compare to yours this week? Did i reduce the deficit to under 1000 points?
 
110wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 11:26 		I am not trying to start an arguement with you about who was on the TV more this week. The only reason I said it was you had all 6 of your guys on TV and 4 of them in matches, and I only had 5 on TV and 3 matches, and 2 of them were in the same match. I know you hate HHH and Evolution, but there TV roles have really been reduced in the past few weeks.
 
111Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 11:57 		wiggs- Victoria got mugged and got a lousy 5 points, never even makign it to the start of her match. Shaniqua stood at ringside and got 5 for interferance. Those 10 points are crap. :)

and yes, I do hate Evolution. Sick to death of them already. If that angle fades I will be the happiest wrestling fan there is. But you and I both know it will come back strong real real soon.
 
112Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 12:11 		I know Adam H has been very busy and has let his Hoops team slide big time. I have no doubt that if he was replaced in this league he'd understand completely. I wouldn't mind stepping aside myself, as I don't anticipate spending as much time on fantasy sports in the upcoming months, but it isn't like this one is a drain on my time. ;)
 
113wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 12:21 		Well this week,
Shaniqua and Victoria are like the same as angle and Orton, neither had a match either. That was why I said you had all 6 of your guys on TV and 4 of them in matches, and I only had 5 on TV and 3 matches, and 2 of them were in the same match. So you still have 1 more match then I did, and 1 of my matches was a tag team, so it didnt take up any more TV time then 1 match would have. I guess the only point I am trying to make is that there are FAs that can be picked up and he hasnt done it. I am sorry if my team playing well is discouraging people from wanting to play, but i went through some tough times with goldberg and batista last season and was down 1000 points, but I didnt give up.
 
114wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 12:22 		Mike D, I think you should stick around, unless you just totally lost interest. If you just dont think you are active enough i wouldnt worry about that, I have no problem with your activity.
 
115Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 12:33 		Thanks wiggs. Interest in the WWE has wained tremendously in recent months. Again, other than the draft itself, not much for me to "do" anyway thanks to Tree, and all the point tabulators like yourself, Farn, MITH, mIST, etc..
 
116Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 12:35 		My buddy at work declined. Too bad, he's really into wrestling and also is a talk radio DJ who has interviewed a few wrestling personalities. He believes he may be the last person ever publicly called a Pencil Neck Geek by Freddie Blassie.
 
117Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Jan 09, 2004, 22:21 		I am sorry if my team playing well is discouraging people from wanting to play, but i went through some tough times with goldberg and batista last season and was down 1000 points, but I didnt give up.

Wiggs, nobody is mad at you at all. You have outmanaged everyone to run away with Season 2. Don't feel bad one bit.

And I know I am not giving up overrall. Can I (or anyone else) win this Season? Nope. But I will be ready for next season. Somebody needs to mount a challenge to your throne.
 
118Great One
      ID: 30071016
      Sun, Jan 11, 2004, 20:13 		No one's mad, you just kicked all our butts.
 
119mIST
      ID: 5351150
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 05:18 		Yep, that's the point.
And these are the limits of a TSN-like game. We should try a Yahoo-like game (I know there are proper names but I don't remember them :)), next time. Two leagues of 6 teams each, and every we have a 1 vs 1 match between two of them. We do this for a total 12 weeks (4 turns).

Next phase, eight teams qualify for the "playoffs" and face eache other the same way as the first phase for a total of 7 weeks. Three teams qualify.
The remaining four teams do the same thing for six weeks (two rounds). The "winner of the losers" qualify.

So we're left with four teams, and they play semi-finals and finals in the following four weeks (two rounds each).

What do you think (I hope it's quite clear, I've not been training my english a lot lately :))?

 
120Tree
      ID: 32057117
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 06:48 		mist - i hear your idea, and i like your idea, but i think we'd have to really think hard about making that work.

this game, more than any other, because of small active roster size and small active wrestler free agent pool, is severely affected by one injury. in other sports, you can find a decent sub on the waiver wire, but it might not be so easy here.
 
121Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 09:03 		I'm all for whatever the group wants to do, but I would not prefer such a major change. For this league I prefer a roto style to head to head.
 
122Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 10:22 		That idea is an intriguing one. And it would certainly keep the weaker teams alive all season (or in this case all the teams down by 500 pts or more already). But it also results in a team that wasn't the best all season winning in the "playoffs". I would prefer to reward the team that got the job done all year. For instance, it would be a crime for wiggs not to win this year. But under this format the playoffs would be starting soon and he could easily lose with his guys slowing down a bit the last few weeks. Just doesn't seem fair.

I would be ok with it, but I would think roto is still the way to go.
 
123mIST
      ID: 5351150
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 10:41 		Why don't we just give it a try?
This isn't an "official" game, we can test everything we want.
 
124Tree
      Donor
      ID: 599393013
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 10:50 		to me, the hardest part about changing the format is that we would essentially be starting over - we've worked hard, and often, to tweak the rules to make this a pretty fun game. we'd have to start over.

this is a somewhat radical idea - and wiggs, please see this as no disrespect towards you - you did one of the best managerial jobs i've ever seen in a fantasy game, and you left us in your dust - but i'd like to see something to prevent such a runaway from happening again.

for all intents and purposes, it really was one show - that PPV where Orton beat RVD, and Batista and Flair won the world tag straps - that sealed the deal. that one night was worth like 450 points for Wiggs squad.

i don't know how to impose such a thing though - whenever i do though, i think back to Charlie O and the A's when he had a fire sale of his players, and the baseball commish over turned them for the integrity of the game.

Wiggs - once again, please, don't see any of my thoughts as anything but a compliment in the highest degree for you. it's like when they had to invent the 3-second rule for Wilt. he was so dominating, they had to adjust the rules just for him. :o)
 
125Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 11:38 		well, you can't really stop a team from getting all those points. that would be impossible.

All we could really do is monitor trades and stop ones that could create some kind of monopoly.
 
126wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 11:38 		I have a question

When it comes down to keepers, is it only the points that a guy scored for your team that will count. For Example, I just got Rey, He has scored about 100 points for me. If I keep him is it 100 against my keepers, or is it 500 or what ever his total score is against my keepers? I hope this makes sense.
 
127Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 11:42 		Last time we used total points, IIRC.
 
128wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 11:46 		thats what i thought too, but i just noticed anyone that was trades is still listed on the old roster with points too.
 
131Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 12:07 		All we could really do is monitor trades and stop ones that could create some kind of monopoly.

I don't think you can even do that much. I don't believe it is fair to stop a trade just because one manager has too many good wrestlers or too many from one stable or anything else. The only reason to ever stop a trade is if a majority think it is collusion.

As I've said previously, Wiggs has set himself up nicely for future seasons, but unless he pulls off an unlikely superb draft from the bottom position, I don't think he should be nearly as formidable in Season 3. Goldberg won't likely sign with WWE after his contract runs out following WMXX. Goldberg is currently 16 points ahead of Randy Orton on the year. If Orton catches him, which is certainly likely, he'll probably lose both of them. Further, I don't believe he can count on another top tem performance from Ric Fair. Make no mistake, he'll contend and maybe even win again, but he shouldn't be stacked again like he was in Season 2.

One thing that I do think we should do is remind everyone that when they are considering offers from multiple teams, one major factor not to overlook is how good the teams you are dealing with are. This isn't intended as any kind of knock on anyone who dealt with Wiggs, as this sort of thing has never been discussed here before and Wiggs would still have a commanding lead if the Orton and Mysterio trades never took place. I'd also never say that we shouldn't deal with managers who are leading in the standings, but in the future lets just keep it in mind.

Wiggs, we use total points for the season and it's important that we do. The intention is to weigh the strength of the keepers. Otherwise, teams could just trade around their top talent in the final weeks and have them barely count against their draft positions at all.
 
132wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 12:14 		MITH,

That is what i thought, but i just wanted to make sure. Thanks.
 
133Great One
      ID: 141172214
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 14:43 		I see my other question regarding keepers was answered here... so ignore it.
 
134kev
      ID: 43111845
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 14:51 		I guess I will comment. I did not look at Wiggs roster when trading Orton. I had 3 deals on the table, and I took the deal I thought was best. I think, point wise, the deal I took ended up being just as good for me. I wish I had held on to Orton longer, but I thought Cade would be a consistant scorer- instead, after the PPV, he disappeared.

I did not try and ruin anyone's fun in this league. I realize I should have looked at the roster, and had seen what I created. I still think I was offered the best deal. The teams with the best wrestlers can also offer the best trades.
 
135Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Mon, Jan 12, 2004, 15:14 		Kev, I don't think your trade ruined anyone's fun at all and I don't think that you should accept any responsibility or credit for Wiggs' success - and I certainly never intended to imply any such things. By all means, we should always do whatever we can to try to make our teams better within the rules of the league. My only intention with post 131 was to point out that this should be something for all of us to consider in future trades.

That said, the best deal for you is the best deal for you, and that's always what you should go for. My only point is then weighing the pros and cons of all the details in any trades we are considering, we should also consider the standings as one of those details.

This suggestion on my part is not intended as a fix to prevent good teams from winning the league in a landslide. Given the small talent pool we are deealing with, I don't think any fair rule can securely prevent that. This is just more of a heads-up reminder to us to consider such matters when wheeling and dealing - and nothing more. Let it be understood right now that I am in no way trying to establish a trading blacklist for top scoring teams or suggest that anyone be otherwise reluctant to deal with anyone. Just noting that it is one more detail to take into consideration.
 
136wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 15:16 		I have a good friend that is interested in a team for next season. He has been following along with my team this year. Only problem is he would have to post his lineup from my computer, he only has dial up and some of the pages are ridiculously slow to load. I guarantee he will be around for the whole season and will be competative.
 
137wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 15:23 		As a matter of fact, I know he will be here tonight to watch RAW, Maybe we can give him Adam H's team now and let him run with it for the rest of the year.

Adam has not posted a line up or made a change since week 4 when Mike D posted it for him. He personally never posted a line up. What does everyone think?
 
138Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 15:25 		I confirmed with Adam H that he is still very busy and has no problem with someone taking his team. I'd be next in line to give up a team, though I can't imagine we'd find another interested soul. Plus there ain't much to it.
 
139wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 15:27 		Mike D, you should stick around. You participate regularly and this doesnt take up a whole lot of time.
 
140Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 15:30 		I will, but would give up the spot if a ravenous wrestling fan wanted to play.
 
141Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 16:03 		Mike D- Sponge's team is next in line to be handed over so you would have to wait for another ravenous" wrestling fan. :)

i am all for Wiggs buddy taking over for Adam H asap. Just to see a lineup posted would be exciting at this point.
 
142wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 16:07 		i will wait until maybe 2 more give the ok before i let him know.
 
143Tree
      ID: 33021719
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 16:09 		i'm ok with it...

and damnit, i meant to do the stats today...lol..well, there's still time!
 
144wiggs
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 16:12 		yeah get on it man :)
 
145Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 16:23 		Tree-

You think it would be possible to create a spreadsheet where wiggs or I could just pump the points into it after Raw and Smackdown and really cut down on your work?

I am not sure what you use but if it would speed it up I am happy to put the raw points in there whenever i do them. and wiggs could probably do the same when he does them.

maybe we could find a way to automate them and really cut down on work.
 
146Tree
      ID: 33021719
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 17:11 		it's actually a lot easier than it was last year. last year was a HUGE pain in the ass...

what's not automated is the top 20 stuff - the rest of it just requires inputting in the right places, and sorting and stuff...

if you've got basic knowledge of excel, it's easy...

wiggs has volunteered to do it as well. i gotta get motivated to do some instructions...maybe i'll work on that during raw tonight...:o)
 
147young Gunz
      ID: 211116514
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 21:29 		hey guys, my name is Corey, I am a friend of Wiggs and he told me I might be able to take over a team. I am really looking forward to it. Thanks
Young Gunz
 
148Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 21:34 		The team needs you, and someone with vast managerial experience......I'm thinking you and Bobby Heenan should co-manage it. ;)
 
149Tree
      ID: 33021719
      Mon, Jan 19, 2004, 22:23 		Bobby Heenan will be returning to the ring in April...in Ring of Honor!!
 
150young gunz
      ID: 210211923
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 19:30 		I am over at wiggs to watch smackdown and we decided I should try to trade HHH for 2 quality scorers. Anyone have any ideas send some offers. I will probably be here til 1030 or 11.
 
151Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 19:43 		We decided? I smell collusion! (j/k)
 
152Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 19:44 		I'll give you Trish and Rikishi.
 
153Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 19:45 		I'll give you Tajiri and Lance Storm, and a six-pack to be named later.
 
154Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 217351118
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 19:45 		Ahh that's stupid of me. You'll have to give up Trish anyway. OK. Trish and Vince.
 
155Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 19:45 		Doh! Edged out by MITH, while I checked my team!
 
156Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 19:46 		Molly (current champ) and Victoria?
 
157Tree
      ID: 550182219
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 20:24 		I'll give you Spanky and Maven...
 
158young gunz
      ID: 210211923
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 20:37 		going to need 2 quality scorers if i am going to give up hhh.
 
159Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 21:14 		Have you seen the standings thread? It will help you define "quality scorers" bro!
 
160GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 60151121
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 21:28 		Welcome Young gunz.
Sorry I missed all the discussion guys.
Was out of town all week last week.

I really think leaving things the way we have them is for the best.

We have no way of controlling story lines or getting a long range feel for what is really going to happen.

So, we all just make educated guesses.

In this case with a couple of trades, Wiggs came out on top.

Cliff
 
161Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 21:59 		Gunz- how bout you start a new thread and propose trades to others?
 
162wiggs
      ID: 210211923
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 22:27 		i am not real familiar with this site and i dont want to offend any one, but looking at the offers i got I think they were pretty low.

Trish and Vince--- when is the last time Vince has done anything and I would still lose trish, might as well keep HHH

Spanky and Maven --- Spanky quit, Maven has a broken arm.

Victoria and Molly--- Victoria isnt really doing anything except coming out with richards. Molly is nice, but once again I would lose her as my high scorer.

Tijiri and storm--- Tijiri is nice, storm is not much.



 
163Tree
      ID: 550182219
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 22:30 		just so no one things i was disrespecting them, i was making a joke about Spanky and Maven...

the problem with my team is that i have Brock and Buh Buh as my key scorers. You'd lose Brock as your high scorer if i traded him to you, and i was surprised to look at the numbers to see that buh-buh has nearly as many points as Trips does, so you'd end up losing buh-buh too....
 
164wiggs
      ID: 210211923
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 22:32 		tree sorry, i didnt know it was a joke, i thought you were low balling the new guy.
 
165Farn
      Sustainer
      ID: 451044109
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 22:34 		Gunz- if you are going to trade HHH you are likely to lose one of the two you get in return. If you would rather have Victoria and Shaniqua let me know. You wouldn't lose either of them. :)

In seriousness, send me an offer. Like I said, it might be a good idea to start a new thread.
 
166Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 22:35 		I'm in a similar position as Tree. RVD has outscored HHH (partially due to HHH being gone a bit, but still). My next scorers are Kane and Tajiri, who combined easily outscore HHH, again, partially because he was gone....but still......makes it tough to offer both of them (Kane/Tajiri). So, I used my next guy in Storm. I'd consider offering Kane and Tajiri if HHH and say Noble was in return. (I have not checked and am guessing about Noble being on your team).
 
167young gunz
      ID: 210211923
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 22:43 		I know i will likely lose 1 of the scorers, but I would like to have a second scorer to go with it. If I am going to take someone like vince who does nothing then there is no point in doing it. I dont know how to start a thread, i will have to get wiggs to help me.
 
168Mike D
      Sustainer
      ID: 41831612
      Thu, Jan 22, 2004, 22:45 		Do you have Noble? I'll go check. You do. How bout Kane and Tajiri for HHH and Noble?
 
169Tree
      ID: 550182219
      Fri, Jan 23, 2004, 07:04 		wiggs - i was sorta poking fun at myself that depth i thought i had disappeared when Spanky went on to greener pastures and somewhere he could make more money *and* be a HUGE star, and then Maven busts another bone and now blech...
 
170Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jan 23, 2004, 09:43 		when is the last time Vince has done anything and I would still lose trish, might as well keep HHH

Hey man, just doing the best I can. You asked for offers and I gave you the best one I could that doesn't hurt my team in the process. Not that this is the best offer you have received or anything, but this would improve your team going into season 3 because you are probably going to lose HHH whether you trade him or not. If you're going to only judge wrestlers by what they've done recently, you're going to wind up with a team full of guys waiting for their 15 min to expire. We'll see how useless Vince is as Wrestlemania draws closer.
 
171wiggs
      ID: 210211923
      Fri, Jan 23, 2004, 10:46 		Tree, That was my buddy that wrote that. He didnt know you were messing with him. Dont worry about it, he is a good guy.
 
172wiggs
      Donor
      ID: 4991311
      Tue, Jan 27, 2004, 12:58 		species, now (after seeing the rumble) you know why i wanted benoit so bad. 135 points out of the rumble, 5 last night, and I am sure he will be on smackdown this week, that is a huge week.