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0 Subject: Week 16 Raw Points

Posted by: Farn
- Leader [451044109] Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 13:03

  Points        
Alicia Fox 0        
Armando Alej. Estrada 0        
Ashley 0        
Atlas Ortiz 0        
Bam Neely 0        
Batista 0        
Beth Phoenix 30 25 5    
Big Show 0        
Boogeyman 0        
Brian Kendrick 0        
Brie Bella 0        
Candice 0        
Carlito 0        
Charlie Haas 0        
Chavo Guerrero 0        
Chris Jericho 45 5 30 10  
Chuck Palumbo 0        
CM Punk 25 15 10    
Cody Rhodes 13 3 5 5  
Curt Hawkins 0        
Deuce Shade 0        
D.H. Smith 0        
D'Lo Brown 0        
DJ Gabriel 0        
Dolph Ziggler 0        
Dusty Rhodes 0        
Edge 0        
Elijah Burke 0        
Evan Bourne 0        
Eve Torres 0        
Ezekiel 0        
Festus Dalton 0        
Fit Finlay 0        
Funaki 0        
Gail Kim 0        
Gavin Spears 0        
Gene Snitsky 0        
Goldust 0        
Great Khali 0        
Gregory Helms 0        
Hacksaw Duggan 0        
Hardcore Holly 0        
Hornswaggle 0        
Jack Swagger 0        
Jamie Noble 0        
JBL 12 5 2 5  
Jeff Hardy 0        
Jerry Lawler 2 2      
Jesse Dalton 0        
Jillian Hall 25 25      
Jim Ross 0        
Jimmy Wang Yang 0        
Joey Styles 0        
John Cena 30 30      
John Morrison 33 25 8    
JTG 17 12 5    
Kane 15 15      
Katie Burchill 0        
Kelly Kelly 12 12      
Ken Dykstra 0        
Ken Kennedy 0        
Kizarny 0        
Kofi Kingston 30 30      
Lance Cade 0        
Layla 3 3      
Lena Yada 0        
Manu 0        
Maria 0        
Mark Henry 0        
Maryse Ouellet 0        
Matt Hardy 0        
Matt Striker 0        
Melina 12 12      
Michael Cole 2 2      
Michelle McCool 0        
Mike Adamle 0        
Mick Foley 0        
Mickie James 0        
Mike Knox 0        
Mike Mizanin 30 25 5    
Milena Roucka 10 5 5    
MVP 0        
Nattie Neidhart 0        
Nicole Bella 0        
Paul Burchill 0        
Paul London 0        
Primo Colon 0        
Randy Orton 15 3 5 2 5
Ranjin Singh 0        
Rey Mysterio 30 30      
Ric Flair 0        
Roddy Piper 0        
Ron Killings 0        
Ron Simmons 0        
Ryan Braddock 0        
Santino Marella 10 5 5    
Scotty Goldman 0        
Shad Gaspard 17 12 5    
Shane McMahon 5 5      
Shawn Michaels 17 2 15    
Shelton Benjamin 0        
Stephanie McMahon 11 2 2 2 5
Super Crazy 0        
Tazz 0        
Ted Dibiase 0        
Ted Dibiase Jr. 13 3 5 5  
Theodore Long 0        
Tiffany 0        
Todd Grisham 2 2      
Tommy Dreamer 0        
Tony Atlas 0        
Travis Tomko 0        
Trevor Murdoch 0        
Triple H 0        
Umaga 0        
Undertaker 0        
Val Venis 0        
Vickie Guerrero 0        
Victoria 0        
Vince McMahon 0        
Vladimir Kozlov 0        
William Regal 15 15      
Zack Ryder 0        
Total 481
1Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 13:04
  Season Week PPV Raw
Mike D 2665 226 138 88
Rude 3200 349 277 72
Great One 3109 297 234 63
Farn 1623 138 98 40
Bobo 1237 78 44 34
Tree 1962 91 59 32
Zyre 2398 234 207 27
Goatlocker 1354 76 51 25
Species 1070 42 27 15
Wiggs 962 76 63 13
2Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 13:05
- Dibiase and Rhodes got 5 for the first promo. They were there and involved without speaking.

- I didn't give the "entire" Raw roster points for the final segment. They really weren't actively involved.
3Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 13:34
Shane punched Kofi in the face!! :)
4Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 14:01
Then go ahead and rewatch the tape and write down every single person on that platform and give them all 5 points. :)
5Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 14:04
That I can do. I don't want Dolph Ziggler and Jaime Noble to miss out!
6Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 14:13
you realize in your haste to make sure your guy, Kofi, gets 5 points that you will end up losing 5 points overall because I believe Rude had 3 guys on the stage and you only had 2. Best case scenario you break even.
7Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 14:47
JBL/HBK was definitely not out there and I don't think Cena was either. I believe he had Rey and I had Kofi/Morrison.
8Greg Rude
      ID: 203143
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 18:58
He won't write all my guys that are out there anyway. He's a bastard!
9Great One
      ID: 10658208
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 19:42
"entire RAW roster" was...

Shad
JTG
Regal
Duggan
Jillian
Noble
Y2J
Kane
Rey
Kofi
Kelly Kelly
Goldust
Haas
Ziggler
Miz
Morrison
Punk
Knox
Melina
Layla
Santino
Phoenix
Beth's crazy fan aka Milena Roucka?
10Greg Rude
      ID: 203143
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 00:50
I still protest out of the fact we need to keep with usual scoring procedures ... don't we always always say "not giving everyone pts for coming out to congratulate ______" (or whatever)

Do we even give lumber jack points? lol
11Great One
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      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 09:01
We do give lumberjack points.

And they did come out and get involved with the fight.

12Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 11:19
We do give lumberjack points.

I guess its worthy of 5 points because there was a slight brawl. I didn't score it because it was way too taxing and really no advantage but GO wants it scored so he can have that 5 point advantage over Rude. Whatever. Long as I don't have to do it.
13Mike D
      ID: 1411422617
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 11:36
If they were involved and Farn has confirmed then I am ok with it. Whenever two teams go to the wire every point gets sensitive.
14Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 12:27
I don't think there is any debate over whether they earned the points, they were part of the whole promo by standing up to The Legacy and then getting involved with the brawl.

Farn just assumed it was everyone so in that scenario he was thinking - its a wash just to give everyone the same points theory - but I specifically noticed certain people were NOT out there so it was worth it to go and detail that. A conscious decision was made by WWE to not have JBL/HBK out there as part of the lockeroom and to keep Cena from interacting with Orton yet. So thats why they did it.

15Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 12:50
GO---it's clear to me that there WAS a debate over whether they earned points, but it has since been resolved.

See post 2, Farn----"I didn't give the "entire" Raw roster points for the final segment. They really weren't actively involved.

See post 10, Rude,----"I still protest out of the fact we need to keep with usual scoring procedures ... don't we always always say "not giving everyone pts for coming out to congratulate ______" (or whatever)


16Greg Rude
      ID: 203143
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 13:11
Ok i'm fine with that ... as long we concentrate on doing that regularly and not just when it helps the 2nd place guy gain 5 pts.
17Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 13:18
We always strive for consistency when possible Rude. Sometimes we have new situations with no precedent which we address. Other times an interpretation is needed ("involvement" v. no "involvement" etc).

Farn, even when his team has been in the final mix, has been steady and objective with scoring. You also find those in the mix spend more time watching, reviewing, double checking, which is fine and normal. So there ends up being more discussion toward the end of the season for that reason.
18Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 13:19
Well there SHOULDN'T have been any debate then I guess I was trying to say?... cause people involved in a promo and brawl on the ramp has been 5 points since the beginning of time, so I'm not sure how thats not consistent with "usual scoring procedures"
19Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 13:38
Your opinion was clear bro. But that doesn't mean others' opinions can be ignored. As I said, it's resolved, so you can go make another trade. ;)
20Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 14:04
If I don't make trades, then what would you have to keep track of week to week? I really need to work on another 3-way dance deal to further screw with your chart! :)

My opinion next week will then be that Cena really didn't have a match because he doesn't do any actual wrestling moves in his matches so he doesn't deserve it. And you will all have to decide if that fits with precedent or not.

21Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 15:41
Doh! A spoiler from GO!
22Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 16:09
Not really, he hasn't done a wrestling move in 5 years! Shoulderblock, punch, lift the guy up and spin him around whee!!!
23Greg Rude
      ID: 203143
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 18:47
I've always been on the helping side of GO ... I never knew what a pit bull he was. SHEESH ;)
24Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 19:02
You should see Species. ;)
25Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 19:21
:)
26Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 08:25
I've added 5 points to the entire list that GO put above. It will appear in newer versions of my chart for team points.
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