Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 01:24
Donald Trump +3+5+2+5- We have no precedent on how to score a draw. I scored it as a no contest because there was no winner. We should probably address that for future matches.
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Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 01:24
Season
Week
PPV
Raw
Mike D
1239
69
0
69
Rude
1949
64
0
64
Species
722
62
0
62
Great One
2864
57
0
57
Bobo
1156
44
0
44
Farn
1883
42
0
42
Tree
1205
40
0
40
Wiggs
2332
37
0
37
Goatlocker
768
0
0
0
Zyre
798
0
0
0
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Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 01:37
lol.......only on a commercial free RAW can I get 62 points due to a Bella twins tag win and Dolph Ziggler match! hahahahahaha
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Great One
ID: 17459269 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 09:45
How do we see it? a win, a loss, somewhere in the middle? I'd say at least a singles loss of 15 points. But its certainly not a singles win of the 30 points. How about 20 points?
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Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 09:49
I considered that GO but the argument is that neither won or lost. So to score it as either doesn't seem right.
Unless the crowd says to score it in a particular way we are probably stuck with 10 points and a needed rule change.
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Great One
ID: 17459269 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 10:47
Oh yeah, definitely 10 points right now. I'm just trying to brainstorm a number for the future.
I think the 20 was a solid number for draw points. I was kind of trying to find halfway between win/loss points but we don't want 22.5 and 25 is too much cause thats as much as a tag win, so I figure just pull it down to an even 20 and thats pretty good. Usually when a draw happens its a scenario like last night (or an Ironman or something like that) so they definitely deserve more than the no contest - cause there was "a contest".
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Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 11:07
We probably need to make sure we use clean wording in the rule so it can't be confused with a no contest.
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Great One
ID: 17459269 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 12:11
Species writes good language in G20, he's in charge!
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Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 14:10
What 'caused' the draw? What scenarios could happen to constitute a draw??
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Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 15:42
well in this case it was a last man standing match and neither go to his feet.
I'm not sure what else might cause a draw besides a double count out. But even double count outs are losses.
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Great One
ID: 17459269 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 16:25
In ROH, time limit draws are not uncommon. CM Punk vs. Samoa Joe went to a 60 minute time limit draw on a couple occasions I believe.
So certainly something about time limits with no winner.
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Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 18:48
I'll take a whack at it:
Match results: Draw +20
Draw points are awarded only when the match is announced as a Draw due to some set of limitations upon the match not being met, and thus nobody wins or loses. This is different from a no contest, double DQ or double count out. Examples of situations where draw points would be awarded as opposed to no contest would be:
- Last Man Standing match: all participants are "not standing" at the count of ten - Time limit match: nobody has won when the time limit expires -- this would include a match where someone who scores the most pinfalls or submissions ends in a tie - Other match where the necessary stipulations of winning the match are not met by any of the participants, yet the match is completed in full
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Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Tue, Jun 23, 2009, 19:19
that looks good to me
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Great One
ID: 17459269 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 08:55
Looks good to me too. Species is very fancy!
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Mike D Leader
ID: 041831612 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 11:08
Always watch out for the fancy ones.
I think the small print gives certain rights to Species in future years.
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Great One
ID: 17459269 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 11:26
He gets to sleep with our wives? In NJ its called the Sinatra Amendment. Springsteen is currently the only one eligible to exercise it under state law.
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Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 12:28
Mike D's wife wouldn't qualify to my standards -- too old.
GO's might. Is she flexible? A size 6 or under? I like 'em skinny. I've had a thing for former gymnasts recently......and the funny thing is, that's no joke!
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Greg Rude
ID: 405122015 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 13:05
the 20 pts seems fair ... it's not a loss, so it should be a little more valuable than one. Using the same 30/15 win-loss points scale in our TNA league the Draws/No Contests are worth 17 pts.
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Great One
ID: 17459269 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 14:03
Species, I think you should talk to Tree - he's like a size 5 and probably has done some flipping around the ROH rings before the show.
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Mike D Leader
ID: 041831612 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 15:19
Seems like a perfect match.
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Species Dude
ID: 07724916 Wed, Jun 24, 2009, 18:50