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Subject: League Restructring Ideas and Discussion
Posted by: Farn
- Leader [451044109] Mon, May 09, 2011, 11:59
This probably deserves its own thread and hopefully the title will draw in managers who are normally dormant for months on end.
To see where the discussion started, check the Season 17 Discussion thread from posts #40-50.
I'd like to throw out my suggestions on system changes. Not married to any of the ideas, just things off the top of my head that may or may not work.
1. Managers can't trade #1 picks in consecutive years.
2. Managers can't trade #1 and #2 to same manager for any one season.
3. Ping pong ball lottery (NBA lottery style)
4. Managers can't have a top 3 pick in consecutive seasons
5. A salary cap league where salaries are based on the previous season's point total. Each season is a full redraft with a cap style bidding system and no use of draft picks?
I realize #5 is radical but it could eliminate draft pick madness. |
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| 83 | Tree
ID: 41512710
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 09:21
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maybe instead of going PPV to PPV, we go date to date. make it simple.
but yea, on hindsight, 4 seems like a lot. i wonder if we got caught up in the PPV mentality, and 3 four-month seasons is a smarter way to go.
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| 84 | Greg Rude
ID: 41831140
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 01:31
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I'm pretty sure the initial idea was three seasons per year (4 months) which I don't think is a good either ... but there's no way anyone could have possibly wanted four 3 months seasons... not unless they were prepared to run the show.
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| 85 | Zyre
ID: 414321923
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 01:58
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I am with Tree on the hindsight thing and would love to change my vote of question #1 to NO.
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| 86 | Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 09:16
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One thought which merges my cut theory with shorter stretches that have something to play for would be to cut the field after say 3 months, and then from a given week those bottom 4 or 6 or whatever battle each other to the finish... and whoever wins among them gets the most ping pong balls in the lottery.
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| 87 | Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 10:51
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i think we need to figure something out. for me, because i just can barely stomach the WWE at this point, my interest was already waning.
then, to effectively see my season end on the very first night of the season, killed it for me. with such long seasons, in a league like this, losing your #1 draft pick on night one puts you in a whole that is nearly impossible to pull out of.
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| 88 | Greg Rude
ID: 5065318
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 15:15
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I wouldn't mind the suggestion that Great One had ... except maybe race for 4 months, then pull the top 4 teams for the final 2 months (everyone goes back to 0?) and the bottom 6 teams play for the most ping pong balls in the last 2 months as well?
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| 89 | Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 17:07
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i wonder if there oughta be a "loser's bracket" incentive, where those bottom six teams play for a shot to make into the final four, and thusly, the playoffs.
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| 90 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 17:51
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Maybe just shorten it to 3 seasons of 4 months each. Obviously that doesn't fix Tree's problem of losing Edge on night 1 but outside of that rare circumstance it shortens each season by 2 months.
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| 91 | RJ
ID: 548421621
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 22:42
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3 seasons of 4 months sounds like a happy middle.
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| 92 | Great One
ID: 574139
Mon, Sep 26, 2011, 13:27
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Alright, so we are ala the NFL I think we shutting this thing down after the PPV cause we gotta get some stuff ironed out thats on the table...
3 keepers, lose top scorer is passed and the new system and I think we can use it immediately as long as we allow for trading til the draft so people can reshuffle.
Or do we do a complete redraft?
And everyone seems cool with a compromised calendar of 3 seasons, 4 months each. But when? Do we simply go calendar year?
Start Jan 1st til end of April.
May til end of August.
Sept til end of December and end before the troops shows?
Guess we also need to decide if we want to end on a PPV as well, cause that makes it a bit more tricky. Cause you'd likely want to end with Wrestlemania - then maybe take a couple weeks off? and then 4 months til Summerslam in mid-August... and then start Sept. 1st til the Dec. PPV and then take a holiday break from mid Dec til New Years.
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| 93 | Greg Rude
ID: 48291621
Tue, Sep 27, 2011, 02:05
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Great One, I like the last suggestion ... picking out PPV's to end each of the 3 seasons, obviously one of them being Wrestlemania and then scheduling everything around that.
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| 94 | Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Oct 06, 2011, 09:48
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we are left with several questions during this dramatic RWF lockout (which is obviously being copied by the actual WWE walkout!)...
1. You plan to return?
2. Season Length - So if we go with the above schedule do we want to wait a couple months here to start on Jan 1? Or do we just do a old school season length whenever we are ready til Wrestlemania and then start the shorter ones.
3. Do we leave a trade window open for a week til keepers are due so people can better prepare for next season?
4. Throw some ideas out for the lottery cause it needs to be ironed out. Do we just do the bottom 4 teams at seasons end and then weight the ping pong balls ala the NBA? Do we reset those 4 teams points halfway and let them fight for the most ping pong balls to the end?
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| 95 | wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Thu, Oct 06, 2011, 10:09
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1. You plan to return? Yes
2. Season Length - So if we go with the above schedule do we want to wait a couple months here to start on Jan 1? Or do we just do a old school season length whenever we are ready til Wrestlemania and then start the shorter ones.
Start the season when we are ready til wrestlemania
3. Do we leave a trade window open for a week til keepers are due so people can better prepare for next season?
sure
4. Throw some ideas out for the lottery cause it needs to be ironed out. Do we just do the bottom 4 teams at seasons end and then weight the ping pong balls ala the NBA? Do we reset those 4 teams points halfway and let them fight for the most ping pong balls to the end?
make the bottom teams fight for ping pong balls. I would prefer the team that finishes highest of the 4 teams gets the most balls making it is so teams do not just give up and take the 1st pick.
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| 96 | Greg Rude
ID: 48291621
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 16:48
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1. YES !!
2. Start when ready till Mania, then begin the three 4 month seasons.
3. No. I just prefer no trading once season ends until it begins again.
4. I like the idea of the bottom 4 in their own standings for the most ping pong. If we do it that way, then i think the ping pong balls should be heavily weighted. If we DO NOT do it that way, then I don't think there should be a significant difference in the amount of ping pong balls per team so people still aren't tanking purposely.
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| 97 | RJ
ID: 21950814
Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 15:55
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1. You plan to return? YES
2. Season Length - So if we go with the above schedule do we want to wait a couple months here to start on Jan 1?
just do a old school season length whenever we are ready til Wrestlemania and then start the shorter ones.
3. Do we leave a trade window open for a week til keepers are due so people can better prepare for next season?
No, prefer to keep it the same (see Rudes)
4. Throw some ideas out for the lottery cause it needs to be ironed out. Do we just do the bottom 4 teams at seasons end and then weight the ping pong balls ala the NBA? Do we reset those 4 teams points halfway and let them fight for the most ping pong balls to the end?
Bottom 4 in their own standings for ping pongs
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| 98 | Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 10:42
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YES
Whenever ready til Wrestlemania
Trades til this season starts? YES
4 compete for most ping pong balls....
Seems like we are headed to a Bottom Final Four battle for the most ping pong balls chances. And we'll weight it something like this out of 100 chances -- 60/25/10/5. But the question to me is when do we draw the line?
at what point in the season do we define the bottom 4? halfway? i worry that teams 5th-6th are gonna tank to get into it. Which steers me towards maybe going up to 6 teams, since realistically 4 teams could still be in contention for first. But I can't see a 5th-6th place team jumping up into 1st from halfway. So maybe define a "Final Four" of contenders halfway... and then the bottom six reset from halfway til the finish similar to the bottom four idea.
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| 99 | Greg Rude
ID: 48291621
Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 15:33
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Well there's 10 teams in the league ... so maybe 5 and 5. Only the last 2 months, do we split the divisions up? I like your ping pong ball setup but only because people would be competing for it. If we don't do the reset and just leave it as is, i think the ping pongs should be a lot closer to equal numbers between the different positions.
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| 100 | Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 10:00
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I am going to try and work on some of this after Thanksgiving but I'm going to be away most of the time until after that.
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| 101 | Farn on phone
ID: 210341613
Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 14:34
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If we can set a start date I can determine when the salary game will end so trades can be used wisely. Right now it's set to end December 30 but we can adjust that.
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| 102 | Greg Rude
ID: 29031414
Mon, Jan 09, 2012, 21:54
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The Funk-o-saurus? "Somebody call my momma" ??
Brodus AKA the new Godfather. Wow. LOL
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| 103 | wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Fri, Apr 27, 2012, 17:18
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Just to clear things up, I am not sure I totally understand the prospect thing. I just went through the thread and didnt see anything about this so
How does the prospect thing work, can I change my prospect for next season to someone on my team that hasnt scored 100 points, or do i keep the same prospect until he scores 100 points?
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| 104 | Great One
ID: 512531316
Fri, Apr 27, 2012, 22:41
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below is a summary in the scoring thread... yeah, I suppose we can word it in here that if you don't like your prospect you can just give up his rights and pick a different one at any point in the draft... and if you do like him he'll just be your last round pick.
Prospect Guidelines
A wrestler is prospect eligible if they had not scored 100 or more points in the previous season.
The prospect will need to be picked and declared a prospect during the draft in any round and he is your prospect til he hits 100.
If he never does you can keep in subsequent offseason’s and just forfeit your worst pick at draft time.
The prospect will remain on your bench until he hits 100 points or you call him up to your active roster.
You call him to your active roster by dropping one of your other 7 talents.
This add/drop of your prospect will count as your one transaction for the week.
Trading of prospect eligible players is allowed and they retain that eligibility.
Once your prospect crosses the 100 point threshold you will have roster freeze weeks to add them or they will be kicked to the free agent pool.
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| 105 | wiggs
Leader
ID: 04991311
Sat, Apr 28, 2012, 10:48
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so I cant just change Rey to my prospect because he is under `100 points?
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| 106 | Great One
ID: 36214199
Sat, Apr 28, 2012, 19:57
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A prospect needs to be picked and declared a prospect during the draft at any point.
So you could draft rey and declare him your prospect but you cant just arbitrarily move him into that spot any other time. Just like other leagues with prospects you get them during the prospect draft. We just blend ours with the regular draft. Just like Lucky 13 used to if i recall.
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| 107 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Fri, May 04, 2012, 11:23
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can we discuss the prospect rules a bit more?
while it is what it is for now, the idea of Rey Misterio being considered a prospect, is ludicrous. to me, while not being against the letter of the law, it violates the spirit.
Brock Lesner was one thing - he hadn't wrestled in a number of years.
but someone who is still part of the WWE family, who is inevitably coming back from injury, shouldn't be considered a prospect IMHO.
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| 108 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, May 04, 2012, 11:37
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I thought it was a pretty good pick myself. Consider it a DL spot too.
I am not sure how to work around it. There are too many moving parts. Could you rule out guys with 1000 lifetime points? Then Brock wouldn't be eligible. And that's just more crap to track. I think the 100 previous season makes it simple enough to look back in one spot.
Just too many scenarios in wrestling... guys that disappear for years, go to TNA, veterans that get hurt or suspended and re-debut.
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| 109 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, May 04, 2012, 12:09
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I see Tree's point of view but there's no way to block something like that. Mysterio would have been my pick even though he wouldn't even have been a keeper. I think its a great move by RJ.
Heck, I'm not even activating Lesnar so he'll continue to be my prospect for now. There are loopholes but no way to close them all.
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| 110 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Fri, May 04, 2012, 12:13
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One thought I did have.
As an example, wiggs can't trade his Season 20 1st rounder because he traded his Season 19 first rounder.
My amendment to the rules would be that if wiggs ended up trading back in to the Season 19 first round (hindsight now) then he could trade his Season 20. Basically, if you make a 1st round pick, yours or someone else's, then you are allowed to trade the following season's #1. There could be a loophole I'm missing but I think the spirit of the rule is to make sure nobody continues trading #1 picks. But as long as they make a 1st round pick it should be ok.
(long winded and possibly confusing, sorry)
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| 111 | Tree
ID: 4411411
Fri, May 04, 2012, 12:19
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i think it's pretty simple, actually. if the wrestler is an active part of the WWE Roster - the one published on their website, then they are not eligible to be DRAFTED as a prospect.
Any current prospect doesn't lose their eligibity for being on the roster, they just can't be drafted as a prospect.
this roster right here, both Superstars and Divas.
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| 112 | Tree
ID: 4411411
Fri, May 04, 2012, 12:26
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even though i kept my prospect, can i draft someone now as a prospect, declare him my prospect, and drop my other prospect?
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| 113 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, May 04, 2012, 13:11
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3 rule changes in 3 posts, wow... I don't know, draft them up and propose them.
1 - I don't really care who they pick, its just another part of strategy of picking a guy who hasn't been on TV the previous season.
2 - that seems reasonable, especially if we continue to not allow trading between the deadline and the start of the draft. just look at the first round to do the research of who can trade their subsequent 1st rounder
3 - I don't think thats how we drew it up - just like the Poli league prospect draft, if you declare them you declare them and they are yours til next offseason unless you call them up, drop them or trade them.
One thing I never defined was if you could have multiple propspects. You definitely need to be down to 0-1 prospect at draft time, but I don't think it would be an issue to have multiple prospect at various points during the season.
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| 114 | Tree
ID: 37226713
Fri, May 04, 2012, 14:02
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Holding off a bit more on my draft pick for further discussion...
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| 115 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, May 04, 2012, 14:19
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Well i don't think a rule change that big would be made mid-draft so I wouldn't worry about that.
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| 116 | RJ
ID: 34302714
Sun, May 06, 2012, 21:21
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1.2 Sheamus
A no brainer, the top scorer last season and WHC. Punk and Sheamus look to be the most can't miss picks so I feel like I really lucked out with the ping pong balls.
1.8 Santino
Currently the US champ, he adds more gold to my team. He has gotten over in a big way and while I briefly considered Mark Henry, I think Santino will continue to be an upper tier scorer.
2.2 John Laurinaitis
I think he's got a hilarious voice and obviously love the fact that he's the GM and will make regular appearances on both shows. I actually think he's pretty entertaining too, not to mention the upcoming program with Cena.
2.5 Great Khali
OK so the guy can barely walk, that doesn't change the fact that WWE must still use this guy to cater to the Indian market. Hoping to get one weekly match (win or lose) out of the big fella.
3.2 Rey Mysterio (prospect)
Mr. Controversy. My take: I saw Rey ad the best player on the board. I know he'll out at least until June 26 (around week 8). So this season assuming I make the playoffs, I'll only get a good 2 to 3 weeks tops out of him after he clears his 100, which may still well outscore guys drafted around this area. The kicker and reason I franchised his as a farmer is that he may well not even come back and I can wait it out until he does. I also considered Darren Young here but felt Rey might have the higher upside. While I admit it looks goofy as he's far from a rookie, I just couldnt pass up.
3.8 Kassius Ohno
Truthfully I don't know that much about him aside from some light research on his work in ROH. I was sold on a promo youtube clip he did when he debuted on FCW. I think his penchant to go for the knockout is kind of original. While, it's highly unlikely that we'll see him this season, I figured I'd roll the dice.
Keepers
Layla: I'm a huge fanboy and happy to have the flawless MVD (most valuable diva) this season.
Zack Ryder: I don't know where they'll take his character from here but I saw him as having at least mid to late second round value so hence, worth the keep.
Drew McIntyre: I'm kind of kicking myself for not keeping Sim Cara instead but I like Drew and have owned him for a long time. Unfortunately, he probably will be only good as injury insurance. I'm planning to platoon with Ryder.
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| 117 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, May 07, 2012, 08:50
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Great analysis. I definitely missed out on the bouncing balls... Punk/Sheamus was a pretty big drop off to Brodus, BigShow etc. Brodus was a big gamble cause they could just as easily pull the plug on him on a whim.
I like that all the new elements like the prospect spot and playoffs add new levels of planning ans strategy to this whole thing.
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| 118 | Farn
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, May 07, 2012, 09:19
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I actually considered trying to trade back to #3 so I'd feel better about taking Brodus. I think he'll continue to squash for a while. And the reaction has been good so he should be solid at least through the end of the season.
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| 119 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, May 07, 2012, 09:31
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There really is nothing like the force of the squash push... Ryback really was a major player in Wiggs' championship run. It was perfectly timed.
I just fear his squash run is over and thats when things get dicey. But I agree he's got more appeal to him than a guy like Ryback/Goldberg as a silent destroyer.
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| 120 | Farn on phone
Leader
ID: 451044109
Mon, May 07, 2012, 11:29
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If anyone is punting I need a top scorer. Shoot me an email.
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| 121 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Mon, May 07, 2012, 14:42
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Hope everyone is cool with the schedule I came up with. Definitely wanted to add some more shows to the playoff match ups and was trying to find a way to get rounds to end on live shows.
I think that end schedule came out to that - the only debatable thing is that there are 3 RAWs, 2 SD's in the semi-final and then 3 SDs, 2 RAWs and 1 PPV in the final. So if it was the old days when guys were exclusive I could see it as a disadvantage to have less shows with your guys in a scoring period... but lately all talent seems to be on all shows so I don't think it really matters.
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| 122 | Greg Rude
ID: 8450283
Tue, May 29, 2012, 23:45
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Offering Cody Rhodes & Dolph Ziggler ... would like a 1st rounder for each. Willing to throw in my 3rd round pick as well... to help sell.
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| 123 | wiggs
ID: 42434510
Wed, May 30, 2012, 22:59
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well with orton being suspended now- I will be taking offers on Ryback and Cena. looking for picks.
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| 124 | Greg Rude
ID: 8450283
Thu, May 31, 2012, 15:50
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Still willing to unload Cody + my 3rd for a 1st.
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| 125 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, May 31, 2012, 16:28
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I've got a 2nd rounder for sale for a consistent scorer.
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| 126 | RJ
ID: 34302714
Tue, Jun 05, 2012, 21:30
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Looking to move McIntyre/Khali for picks.
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| 127 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Jul 06, 2012, 11:39
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*WWE is adding another weekly series to their programming, with WWE Main Event airing on Wednesdays at 8pm on ION beginning October 3rd. This new show will feature talent from both the Raw and Smackdown rosters and further storylines from both series.
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| 128 | Greg Rude
ID: 51542315
Sat, Jul 07, 2012, 16:07
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I'm sure it will be another garbage show like Superstars was.
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| 129 | wiggs
ID: 346271221
Sat, Jul 14, 2012, 10:39
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It doesnt appear I am going to get a scorer to beat Randy Orton so I am looking for 1 of 2 things
1) trade a 2nd round pick for a scorer who has more then 250 points- IE john lauranitis type scorer
2) trade orton for a 2nd round pick to someone who might need an extra scorer in the superbowl.
Please get back to me asap
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| 130 | RJ
ID: 516561618
Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 00:16
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Wondering if there are any rules on cancelling waiver claims? Is it like Yahoo Baseball where you can just cancel a claim and place a different claim (as long as its only one per week?)
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| 131 | Great One
ID: 13046197
Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 08:45
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I've got no problem with cancelling a claim as long as its less than 24 hours and before it was official? Anyone else?
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| 132 | RJ
ID: 186141713
Tue, Jul 17, 2012, 14:15
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Ok well I posted the new claim in the Waivers Thread if everyone's cool with it. I just wanted to confirm.
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